MINNEAPOLIS, Minn. — As the battle heats up in Minnesota over a proposed state constitutional ban on same-sex marriage, there has been renewed outrage by statements expressed by Twin Cities Catholic Archbishop John Nienstedt in a 2010 letter to one of his parishioners.
The Minneapolis Star Tribune, which published Nienstedt’s letter last weekend as part of an article about the prelate’s aggressive efforts in support of the constitutional amendment, reported that the May 2010 letter was in response to a note from “a mother who pleaded for acceptance for her gay child.”
Archbishop John Nienstedt
In the letter, Nienstedt wrote that Catholics are obligated to believe the Church’s official teachings on homosexuality, and that “those who do not… ought not to participate in the sacramental life of the Church,” and advised the mother that her “eternal salvation” could be in jeopardy:
I write to inform you that the teaching of the Catholic Church on homosexuality, as described in paragraphs 2357 and 2358 and 2359 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church is rooted in Scripture and based on the Natural Moral Law. It, therefore, shares in God’s revelation to us.
Catholics are bound in conscience to believe this teaching. Those who do not cannot consider themselves to be Catholic and ought not to participate in the sacramental life of the Church. Indeed, some might find this is a hard saying by many of Jesus’ teachings were likewise received as such.
I urge you to reconsider the position that you expressed in your letter. Your eternal salvation may well depend upon a conversation of heart on this topic.
In a statement Tuesday, Truth Wins Out Executive Director Wayne Besen called it “appalling that Archbishop Nienstedt chose to issue such an un-Christian response to a vulnerable member of his flock who came to him seeking help. The archbishop’s letter shows just how deeply held his anti-gay views are.”
“Telling the parent of an LGBT child that she ‘ought not to participate in the sacramental life of the Church’ unless she renounces her pro-equality views – and that her ‘eternal salvation may well depend upon’ her willingness to accept the Catholic Church’s anti-gay teachings – is spiritual bullying of the highest order and utterly reprehensible,” added John Becker, Director of Communications & Development for Truth Wins Out.
“What kind of spiritual leader demands that a mother reject her child in order to save her soul?” said Becker.
Nienstedt’s letter also brought a swift reaction from LGBT ally, Minnesota Vikings player Chris Kluwe, a vocal supporter of marriage equality who has recently taken anti-gay legislators to task.
Chris Kluwe
“Tell me, Archbishop, Pope, what purpose does the Church serve attempting to influence the affairs of a secular state? The federal benefits under law currently denied gay couples certainly fall under the realm of Caesar, don’t they?
No one is forcing the Catholic Church to marry gay couples if that is not the Church’s wish. You can keep the sanctity of Catholic marriage solely between heterosexual couples if you feel that is what’s required (again though, I caution you on the dangers of presumed infallibility).
All we are asking is for you to extend the open hand of tolerance instead of the closed fist of fear and hate.
As American citizens, we respect the right for everyone to practice whichever religion they so choose, including the right to not practice one at all. Haven’t we learned enough from the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the Talibans of the world?
What does it benefit the Church to attempt to influence secular policy in this country, especially when that influence is to deny basic human rights to others? Will you now assume Caesar’s throne, grasping the transitory ephemera of worldly power and control, while forsaking the eternal kingdom of Heaven?”
According to a 2009 study conducted by San Francisco State University researcher Caitlin Ryan and published in the Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics, such rejection can have devastating consequences for LGBT youth.
LGBT teens who experienced negative feedback from their families were 8 times more likely to have attempted suicide, 6 times more vulnerable to severe depression, and 3 times more likely to use drugs than teens who did not experience negative feedback.
Polling results released Tuesday by Public Policy Polling finds support for the marriage ban running slightly behind its opposition.
According to the poll, 46 percent of voters planning to support the ban, while 49 percent oppose it, a a 4 point shift compared to a month ago when it led for passage 48-47.
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oh?? I think that guy talked with my mother O.o
archbishops a schizophrenic
Excuse me Mr. Archbishop, you are the devil :)
QueenArchi!
Just another old fart off his rocker. Next.
Religion is getting ridiculous! Catholics rejecting there kids…sounds like a cult
I thought Jesus preached, “Love one another.” Examine your conscience, Archbishop.
Evil archbishop
Well compassion IS the core of all religion Lmao
Why don’t you take a look at your own life before you try and control another persons life.
What happened to Loving your Children, Unconditionally, no matter what? Catholics are so fucking Confusing.
I FUCKING Hate Living in Minnesota . Ugh
Didn’t some dude say “he who is without sin may cast the first stone” or something? I think his name was Brian or something…
ugh. indeed: ““What kind of spiritual leader demands that a mother reject her child in order to save her soul?” said Becker.”
Writing left-handedly was a sin in the dark ages. We’re returning to those selfsame dark ages, when the Church ran governance.
He is a very evil man. We are taught to love one another. I am catholic this is making me sick. We need to teach tolerance, and acceptance. Who cares what thy neighbors do, it is non of your business. Go on with your on life and let everyone practice what they want. It does not affect you.
Let the Bishop burn in Hell…
Which is why I’m no longer catholic…
MAYBE HE SHOULD TELL HIS FELLOW CLERGY THAT MOLESTING KIDS WILL BRING U ETERNAL DAMNATION BEFORE BEING GAY WILL.
Maybe this Bishop would be happier in Iran. Let him go and preach his intolerance to a society that shares his beliefs.
And also, I doubt any woman who rejects a child so she may save herself is going to heaven anyway…
And then they’ll say their god is all about love…
fuk him
How any gay person can still practice this cult’s teachings is beyond me…find a religion that accepts you or your children
i swear these ones that are so in to their own bible are nutballs they dont know what they are talking about they are making things up i know for a fact it doesnt say you have to reject anyone whos gay or suffer at all
It’s well past time the church was told to shut up or get out
woooow but i’m not surprised!
Hell is gonna be packed with Catholics….
This is why youth need to be encouraged to come out responsibly. Hopefully mom isn’t a good catholic girl in all ways!
I don’t like Catholic!
You be who you are GOD made no mistakes, You Were Born This Way!!! I was born a GAY women (don’t like word lesbian)!!!! Hate the way it sounds!!! Live Your Life FOR YOU!!!! Fuck the rest of the people!!
I say join the Episcopal Church, where the laity have a real voice in the Church’s governance and get to vote on who their bishops are going to be!
Why dont they ever look at other of their major principles :(#
That is no Christian
Its not just the Catholic church… My mom was told the same thing by her Jehovah Witness church. So its not only just one church goer.
Disgusting!
Reject religion or suffer eternal ignorance.
That man is so wrong! We are all GODS children! If you need someone to talk to, Look me Up!!!!!
This is the same crap that I endured in the Methodist Church…way back in the 1960′s. I can’t believe that we have made so little movement in fifty years. I left organized religion for that very reason…I must have made the right decision back then!!
Tell the Archbishop he can go to hell himself, he’ll be in like company!
This is what always confused me about that religion. So is it to love everyone, UNLESS they’re gay? That doesn’t seem right to me.
Crazy Religious Bigots!!!
That is incomprehensible. I love my son with all my HEART!!! I can’t imagine being told something like that. I was raised catholic but haven’t gone to mass in years
My advice: reject the teachings of a archaic and increasingly irrelevant church whose teachings are based in hate and superstition and be faithful to your blood- not some inbred sexually repressed lunatic that wears dresses and funny hats.
A man in a dress and lovely hat tells a woman to hate her son.. Now that is logic in my book-]
that man can go fuck himself
“as described in paragraphs 2357 and 2358 and 2359 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church is rooted in Scripture and based on the Natural Moral Law. It, therefore, shares in God’s revelation to us.” <– FALSE premise. Notice how it's written like it's self evident and how this woman fails to understand how it's self evident. In no way is a tribal Jewish Bronze Age deity involved here. In no way can this man talk about this being natural law. In no way is this even remotely accurate based on moral law. In no way is this even REMOTELY based on love or family values. This man is not in touch with anything except the Vatican hierarchy and ancient dogma. I recommend that this woman walk away from Catholicism and walk into the 21st century where she belongs.
SHAME ON YOU
How about her rejecting the so-called “Archbishop” & booting him the hell out of her life?
Nice guy…NOT!!!!
LGBT issues are threatening to most organized religions primarily because those religions are terrified to think that the supply of new believers (through procreative heterosexual unions) will be cut off.
Someone should tell him to reject that hat or look like a damn fool.
Who put this idiot in charge? No religion I know of says to ‘reject’ one’s child. This sounds like more extreme Right propaganda against the gay community.
Someone needs to take a nice sharp bible and stick it so far up that Archbishops ass!
May the church of Rome burn in Hell.
Got a great idea: get the IRS to revoke the RC Church’s tax-exempt status in America because of this dip-stick’s politicking. THEN tell the Pope, “This Minneapolis archbishop is the person who was directly responsible for losing your church’s tax-exempt status.”
we’ll see on the “other Side” He shouldn’t be in charge of a gumball machine.
Archbishop is Nothing but a Bully in a stupid ass hat!
I wonder how many petticoats and lacey panties there are under his robes.
such a git!!
Wow.. not surprising that the church it telling Parents to reject their kids.. I wonder where is that in the bible to disown ur own children!!! disgusting
excuse me…you church full of pediphiles…Jesus said to pluck the shit out of your own eye before plucking someones elses….shame on you….
And for those of my family and friends who see this comment, this is why I refer to myself as a recovering Catholic.
Another asshole on a very, very, very long list.
What kind of stupid laws does the Catholic Church of yours follow? Do you know that even Jesus according to some is gay? Let’s all burn on hell then.
Let’s reject homophobic religions instead. God loves, man kills, especially with hateful words … for shame. Where’s the Pope when his people say these kind of hateful things?! Where does it say, who loves gay people burn in hell? Nowhere … God asks us to love our enemies … and those who are wrong, and he never once said being gay was wrong. Jesus never said it. Love everyone he said repeatedly but the churches can’t seem to remember that.
What a buttplug.
Another tragedy caused by ignorant powerful white male clergy… Did I forget anything?
man thats stupid my mom wont go to hell for accepting the fact im bi
Just what Jesus would say, I’m sure.
FAMILY VALUES…perfect
disavow your son, send him over, use the REAR entrance I will take care of him
I believe the Archbishop has forgotten the words of a very wise person named Jesus when, talking about a woman caught in sexual sin and about to be executed, said “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone,” and saved her. Perhaps the Archbishop should spend a little more time reading Jesus’ words and less time spreading hate.
it comes off much nicer than saying, “we don’t really care if your son is gay or if you speak to him, but by supporting him, there may be a chance that we don’t get to bleed money from you anymore so we will throw out eternal damnation and rip apart your soul on the off chance we might miss out on your weekly contribution. its not you, its those damn liberals with their people shouldn’t be robbed and brainwashed agenda.”
Just another reason I do not believe in giving any idiot a title that makes him think I care what HE thinks is right.
What this man doesn’t realize, is that he is the evil one, and will be the one in hell if there is one.
Shame, shame, shame.
And people still believe this shit…amazing.
Didn’t Jesus say to not reject people?
The Archbishop is the living eternal damnation.
this is why people are moving away from religion.
So “Christian” of him. Who’s going to hell?
If I were a parent and this letter had been addressed to me, I’d tell him to f— himself. I’d choose damnation if that’s what it took to make my child feel loved and accepted.
Isn’t he the same guy who protects child molesters?
horrendously sad!!!
Disgusting and appalling.
Reject moronic Archbishops or suffer eternal stupidity.
HOW stupid can anyone get..AND THEY LISTEN TO THIS GUY???..I thought GOD LOVES EVERYONE. AND HE DOES ….Maybe he needs to remove his hat to get some blood flowing……
Wtf
The princes of the church rarely practice what they preach. How many altar boys has he molested in the past. Filthy hypocrites.
Don’t worry this archbishop had to meet his maker some day he will be paid back
it would be so easy to attack the catholic church because of turds like this, priest who molest etc but i wont because there are many people who are catholic and have faith. gotta love chris kluwe
True Christian spirit.
fuck the church
How could an Archbishop tell someone to reject her son? If that is someone who could tell her to do this, he should not be in the church.
a bit ironic
Well, I’d say he has a special seat in Hell…
screw them
El Creepo Churcho speaks again.
This is absolutely appalling. To reject one’s child, NEVER!
This uppity man needs to get down off the cross ’cause we need the wood!! :0
way to go bishop
Organized religon disgusts me. Wicca is the way, accept all or accept none.
… STILL-bad-DRAG!!!
Fuck that Archbishop Bitch !!!
I’ll take “Eternal Damnation” for $200, Alex
Eww.
BLASPHEMY
It seems like organised religion has been hijacked by lunatic a-holes with little understanding of the teachings they’re supposed to preach.
So much for “love one another as I have loved you”…
Yes because disowning your own kids is the Christian thing to do. Sorry but Catholics and all Organized Religions are BS.
can’t these guys shut up and get a life?????
There would be a lot of rejection if people listened to their priests…he himself will be damned for being such a loser.
Right, all gay people will suffer full damnation in hell. The priests and church officials who molest your children will apparently get to heaven if these priests are to be believed. Lesson here…. don’t listen to the church.
Hmmm…So being gay is a terrible sin, but abusing children is not?
I am sure Jesus is proud (that was sarcasm BTW)
But molesting altar boys and covering it up won’t. What a bunch of fkn hypocrites… The Catholic church has committed murder, incest, and molestation over the years all in the name of God…
*in church lady voice * well …isn’t that special.
Really? I am gay and will tell you I have NEVER met a straight priest. I go to gay parties that gay priests attend/ Tell this faggot Archbishop to get out of his Fancy Drag Outfit and be HONEST with his parishoners.
If I was a catholic mother, I’d take the risk if I believed that bullshit.
I don’t think I could ever abandon my child. There’s not force on earth or heaven that would make me abandon my child.
This archbishop guy sounds like a real idiot.
You have to laugh when a church that has spent over 2 billion dollars paying its victims of sexual abuse by priests has the temerity to threaten a woman’s salvation for supporting her gay son.
Hey archbishop….Coming from someone who looks queerer than a rainbow-you should talk!
The church believes only they that’ve the right to fuck little boys.
disowning your kids makes you a failure as a parent! a parent’s love is to be unconditional! that low life trash is spreading hate. he is the one who will burn!
Why would anyone devout in their religion reject something God created?!?!?!
That would be a “dislike”
when are people going to realize tht Love Is Love. And ALL people shld be free to be who they truly are….without hearing such strong ignorant words.
Mr Archbishop when you look in the mirror what do you see? A man of God or a fool adorned in hatred and fear?
she’ll be in heaven laughing at all the pedophile priests in hell….
Not surprising, but certainly infuriating!
What was that about idol worship?? SMDH!
This is why religion is just all wrong….
No religion is good religion.
And this coming from a man in a bright green frock, and a fabulous hat!
Dumb religious assholes who are like him, need to shut the fuck up and mind their own business. He has absolutely no right in spreading false hate.
Chris Kluwe’s response to this bigot’s letter was priceless. Reject the Church as it is not following the teachings of Christ. My belief…no one has to agree with me. The Churches position on women, abortion, homosexuality, their turning a blind eye to the pedophilia, etc., are the reasons I do not follow the faith anymore. My spirituality is inside me and if I wish to talk to God I go right to the source no middle man. I hate being tolerated in my own Church.
Pathetic !!!
Seriously?!?!
I’m praying for the Archbishops’ mom. He filled her with shame
This is why our young generations leave the church! We need to love all people and accept everyone. I believe God loves us all. A good gay person will be in Heaven with us.
This is appalling. How dare someone masquerading as a spiritual “guide” recommend tearing apart a family.? Really…. in a just society these guys would be shunned every time they walk in public, upbraided for their shameful behavior. I am so grateful for the vigorous, articulate and often humorous support of straight pro footballer Chris Kluwe. He’s a national treasure. These catholic suck ups like our own DUI charged archbishop Cordelione deserve nothing more than our contempt and revulsion.
He can eat shit…, that’s how much respect I have for damn closed minded people like that
God loves all. I am catholic, I believe in acceptance, and tolerance. Who cares if they are same sex, god does not discriminate. He loves all. He created all of us.
On further thought, the utterances of the Roman aspirants of this corrupt church have become so woefully irrelevant over the years that they have at long last, not even a morsel left of moral authority. Nothing more than fodder for the latest bit of distraction that counts as “news”.
do these archbishops say the same to their sicko priests? Catholicism is like Satanism
so says the pedophile bigot wearing a gay hat
Walk away from him and find a real Church.
and the dress, John…don’t forget the dress!! LOL
wow. think about this. did u know that Jesus hanged out with poor people and prostitutes. if he were here today walking around on earth I’m sure he would be with the gays and show them the way.
there is no real church. Why do they refer to their patrons as a “flock”… Because they are a flock of sheeple.. too stupid to think for themselves, and need to be led around by a mangy mutt
I’m sorry… is this supposed to be surprising? He is high up in the Catholic Church.. most of their priests are a bunch of closet cases as it is. Do you think he would be like, “Oh you have a gay son? No big deal here, we love gay men!” Come on people, what were you expecting?
I’d like to see him back up his claims using the actual teachings of Christ. There’s nothing worse than a person in power that uses his position to further his own ignorant beliefs.
yea they want to distroy families and cast out their son and its a well known fact that has come to public eye many times about them loveing young men….if the young men are straight or gay means nothing because the deceit has already destroyed far more than anything else they can do and they are “SUPPOSE” to be teachers and leaders….ppppffffttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
So wrong
how on earth can christians ever expect to lead others to Christ if all they know how to do is teach and show hate?????????????????????? really ppl
That’s why so many in the church aspire to the bishopric. They can dress in drag and not be criticized for it.
He’s prolly played with a few boys in his time too!
That’s how the Jehovah’s Witnesses are too. Lets say you and your kids are baptized and your child commits adultery and they are basically disassociated you are expected not to talk with them. That’s BS. Mans made up crock of crap. God wouldn’t want that. Just sickening
Ashamed of being Catholic, what an asshole …may he rot in hell for that…there I said it…should be ban from his position and religion…God taught us to love one another.
I should kiss a women right in front of him, then with a great big smile I would say, have a good day sir.
This is why I often think about becomeing Orthodox- Church is just as old, but without the bad reputation.
Sorry. I’d suffer eternal damnation several times over before i rejected my kids.
Not very humane, is he?
So…who is going to hell? I think it’s this old man in a dress. And they wonder why people are turning their backs on these haters more and more!
when a religion dictates ur life, as in—-World English Dictionary
cult (kʌlt)
— n
1.
a specific system of religious worship, esp with reference to its rites and deity
2.
a sect devoted to such a system
3.
a quasi-religious organization using devious psychological techniques to gain and control adherents
4.
sociol a group having an exclusive ideology and ritual practices centred on sacred symbols, esp one characterized by lack of organizational structure
5.
intense interest in and devotion to a person, idea, or activity: the cult of yoga
6.
the person, idea, etc, arousing such devotion
7.
a.something regarded as fashionable or significant by a particular group
b. ( as modifier ): a cult show
8.
( modifier ) of, relating to, or characteristic of a cult or cults: a cult figure
[C17: from Latin cultus cultivation, refinement, from colere to till]
sir you should exept your gay son or daughter or i will for ever hate you and if the mother does regect him well we all know where she is going
Wow, that is truly hateful.
yes it is. I will never understand those who remain part of this religion when their children aren’t even safe around priests.
Thank God it was a mature adult asking this bonehead for advice, and not a young boy.
This goes back to the previous article today of people abandoning organized religion. Hopefully the mother makes the compassionate and loving choice and support her son. God has a special place for this archbishop, I’m sure.
Thank you, as well to the Vikings player, Chris Kluwe. Professional athletes words are held in high importance with our youth. Gentlemen, like this one, are steering our children in good directions. I hope more people that our children look up to continue to do the right thing and set good examples!
given a choice like that I’d choose my son.
no
Hopefully the Catholic Church will die a slow death in the future due to lack of interest. From the pope on down it, this man controlled cult needs to go away.
read there history the church has been crooked from day one
This is unbelievalble! I have no use for organized religion esp the catholic church. I’m very proud of my str8 son who my ex sends to catholic school. He just told. Me. H3es an atheist and the church is bigoted hypocritical and basically full of sh*t. He has gay friends and always jumps in todefend anyone who is bullied. I was so worried he’d be brainwashed. I’m so glad I. helped raise a free thinker
He look everybody…its a mitred douche!
Ahhhhh! The Ecumenical Catholic Communion! What a wonderful way to be Catholic! http://www.ecumenical-catholic-communion.org
oh, but let’s love all the priest who assaulted young boys, let’s just look the other way… religious hypocrites
If this guy was as outspoken about the pedophiles within his own institution as he is about gays, he might be a bit more credible. Take care of your own house before you go telling someone else how to manage theirs! Hypocrite!
What?! That’s crazy!
With all the sin the Church has covered up over the years, they have no right to preach to anyone about eternal damnation!
I wonder why the archbishop thinks its ok to rape children though? that doesnt fall under eternal damnation for some reason, just loving your child who has a consentual relationship with an adult of the same sex.
Jesus would never tell a parent to turn their back on their child…
tell him go to hell..oh wait, they are there already!! The Church is still trying to bully people. I say, let’s bully them right back!!
I have two words………..Protestant Reformation……….Its been exposing men like this to be frauds since 1517………
and she should tell him to go F himself!!! ridiculous the ignorance people have
shame on him….take that hat and robe away and send him away naked……God mandates that we LOVE! and not call his creation bad.
Jesus also said this in Aramaic:
“For there are eunuchs who were born so from their mother’s womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. To him who can comprehend, that is enough.” Matthew 19:12 Lamsa.
The Aramaic word m’haym-ne (plural) is translated as eunuchs here, but the root meanings of this word in this form are: trusted ones, faithful ones and believers. These “trusted ones” were also servants such as chamberlains. In addition, m’haym-ne meant homosexual males because they were trusted around women that were married or were not of their family. They weren’t a threat in committing adultery with another man’s wife nor in having pre-marital sex with the women in general.
The born eunuchs in the above verse from Matthew are referring to homosexual males. The second part of the verse says: “and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men;” These are the castrated eunuchs. Also, the eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men were those appointed by the king to be servants in the king’s palace. Some of these were prisoners of war, captives, and exiles (Isaiah 39:7 Lamsa). The third part of this verse should be read as: “and there are believers who made themselves castrated ones (or celibate ones) for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.” The word m’haym-na (singular) means: a homosexual, a castrated male and a believer in the Bible. The last part of the verse is referring to believers that castrated themselves (or perhaps became celibate) for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.
Homosexuality was long confused with eunuchry. Like effeminacy and hermaphroditism, eunuchry was sometimes thought of as creating a “woman-man.”
Fuck the church and their sorry assed miss guided ideas!! How dare this archbishop who is childless tell a mother to abandon her child!! And shame on the mother if she listened!!!!!
And they call themselves Christian???
omg this is horrriiibblllle D:
Seriously? I thought ‘religion’ was about being inclusive and love as opposed to rejection and hatred. Wow!!
I’d rather rot in hell than be stuck in heaven with people like this :(
really????? wow
Who told this pompus old frog he had the right to judge and condemn? Just another example of priests being in situations they shouldn’t be with authority they don’t have along with credibility they don’t have. People who say they can are liars.
prick!
THat is your son plain and simple lady!!
Time to Oust Bigoted Archbishop! No room for hatred in gods kingdom