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Vatican surveys find Catholics reject rules on morality, gay marriage

Tuesday, February 4, 2014

VATICAN CITY — Surveys commissioned by the Vatican have shown that the vast majority of Catholics in Germany and Switzerland reject church teaching on contraception, sexual morality, gay unions and divorce.

The Vatican took the unusual step of commissioning the surveys ahead of a major meeting of bishops that Pope Francis has called for October to discuss the family.

This week, German and Swiss bishops reported the results. They were surprising in the near-uniformity of responses: that the church’s teachings on sexuality, morality and marriage are rejected as unrealistic and outdated by the vast majority of Catholics who nevertheless are active in parish life and consider their faith vitally important.

Also surprising was the eagerness with which the bishops publicized the results.

Despite the findings, moral theologians warned that church doctrine won’t change.

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  1. the US bishops won’t have the balls to be honest – they will try to be good party boys! IDIOTS!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 10:52pm
  2. Brian, I'm afraid you are right.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:16pm
  3. They "came of age" in an era when protecting the "brand" was far more important than protecting the faithful -- particularly the kids. (Witness how Bernard Cardinal Law used his "diplomatic passport" to escape to Vatican City rather than face charges.)

    Replied on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 12:16am
  4. but how do they feel about pedophilia? obviously that are OK with it…

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 10:52pm
  5. Generalizing that all Catholics or Priests are pedophiles is just as much a problem as assuming LBGT people are more likely to be sex offenders.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 10:58pm
  6. I didn't say all now did I? don't come for me unless I send for you..tithe away fool

    Replied on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 10:58pm
  7. Chris, why do you support a church that supports pedophilia?

    Replied on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:14pm
  8. *gasp* whaaaaaat? Lol

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 10:53pm
  9. common sense works for me. people are people so why should it be you and i should get along so awfully?!?!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 10:57pm
  10. Because religious people think they make the rules.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:13pm
  11. Aren’t they suppose to go with what the Pope says?

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 10:58pm
  12. Yes. He is infallible. If a catholic does not blindly follow, they are NOT catholic. This headline is wrong. You can't pick and choose which rules to follow. Zero catholics reject the church's rules. If they reject ANY, they aren't catholic.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:12pm
  13. Which is why I gave up being a Catholic. I even spent years as a monk in a Benedictine monastery until I eventually realized the fallibility of its infallibility.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:19pm
  14. I am sure the only one surprised at the outcome are the leaders of the Catholic religion.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 10:59pm
  15. The blurb is unclear; the pope himself has made really clear that Catholics should focus on what the person does rather than who they are.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 10:59pm
  16. Religion is nothing more than the devils work itself….Religion may be ok in moderation but long term use of religion may cause serious side effects, please consult your doctor before practicing religion. Most side effects cause long term damaging effects which include and or not limited to Bigotry, loss of sense of reality, Hate, Close minded one way of thinking and being culted into a person no one likes or respects. Not all people who start a religion will experience these side effects and are genuine good whole hearted people. Your doctor will go over treatment options with you to tell you if religion is right for you.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 10:59pm
  17. Yeah God ~ Devil, either side of the SAME~ minted coin.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:18pm
  18. Right on!

    Replied on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:20pm
  19. BLASPHEMY!!….lol

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:00pm
  20. big surprise there

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:03pm
  21. How is the survey even valid given they teach against homosexuality. Hello!!!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:05pm
  22. Because they make no sense and have nothing to do with christianity.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:06pm
  23. TO ME I THINK THEY NEVER PASSED THE SURVEY TO ALL THE CHURCHES MEMBER’S!! JUST TO THE MEMBER’S WHO IS LOYAL TO & WOULD DO ANYTHING JUST TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS NOW!! THEY ARE THE ONE’S DAT NEVER WANT CHANGES!!!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:06pm
  24. A lot of people argue that God never changes, and that doctrine will never change. This simply isn’t so, God is ever changing in the doctrine they teach from. The Old Testament God is much different post Christ. If a God truly knew the future, then that would imply that he never changes because he has knowledge of everything and a predisposition to punish or reward humanity. We as a species have ever clearer values and morals, based on the error we see in God. Things must change, lest ye be left behind.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:07pm
  25. God changes all the time since he is just an idea in a delusional person's brain.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:14pm
  26. If you reject ANY of the rules, you’re NOT catholic.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:09pm
  27. No surprise that people in the twenty-first century find the church’s views outdated. They need to re-work their business model or face certain continued decline.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:10pm
  28. screw all religions. they really preach hate.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:12pm
  29. Pseudo Catholicism does not a Catholic make.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:14pm
  30. Roman Catholicism is slowly fading away. The Pope is trying to make it come back. The RCC is losing billions in revenues.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:22pm
  31. Not to mention the settlements paid out.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:25pm
  32. They need to re-hire those fired Catholic school educators who were fired for getting engaged or married.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:15pm
  33. Well, the church could continue to live in their rarified atmosphere while drinking wine from gem encrusted chalices.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:15pm
  34. Interesting results. But nothing will change in the official doctrines and dogmas of the Catholic Church.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:15pm
  35. Good, they can see Bigotry.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:16pm
  36. news flash so do most American Catholics. let them be hypocrites or change. What do you care as long as they hand over the $$$$?

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:19pm
  37. A couple of thousand years behind the times.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:20pm
  38. cult

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:23pm
  39. God=desperate for validation and adoration. Never have I been taught of a more vain figment of imagination.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:24pm
  40. DUH! Most Catholics are living breathing entities with minds that can distinguish between right and wrong. Church dogma is a braindead and putrifying lifeless blob.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:27pm
  41. About bloody time!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:27pm
  42. Because Catholics in Vatican city are secretly evil and plotting the end of the world.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:33pm
  43. Oh they say they won’t change but there will come a day when they will have to either make the change and evolve or fold up the Catholic religion for good.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:36pm
  44. Before Kingdoms change the hearts of men must change.. But I say this with all honesty, Screw the Mother of Whores, She is Mystery Religion Babylon and SHE WILL FALL! Broken and headless right along with her Harlot Daughters Right Wing Protestant Xtianity.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:41pm
  45. DOH!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:41pm
  46. Millions of former Catholics like me will never return to the faith of our birth because of these type of rules that are so out of touch! As a gay American, I will never return to an organization that believes that gays are “intrinsically disordered”. Bye bye!!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 at 11:44pm
  47. the Vatican sucks

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 12:00am
  48. Well, good!….I expect Francis will get behind them on that.

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 12:11am
  49. From the Moral Theologians: “Yes, 15 year olds, masturbation is STILL a mortal sin –” (but we want you to grow up to be practicing Catholics, so we won’t talk about that very much.)

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 12:13am
  50. And who is surprised by this?

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 12:31am
  51. Religions are a drug that keep the poor quiet like sheep while the elites rule over them and take as much from them as they can.

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 12:46am
  52. I appalled that the church had to do a survey – The CHurch is stuck in their old ways – The church is dying – Divorce is up there. People will continue to go to church but follow its teachings. How about a survey on the priests following the teachings of the church…LOL

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 12:46am
  53. it’s about time…………

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 12:50am
  54. The church won’t change their stance

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 1:27am
  55. PROGRESS!!

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 1:28am
  56. meanwhile in America the Bishops conference refused to let the laity fill out the worldwide survey in fear that they would loose their grip on power.

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 1:43am
  57. not all Catholics do this!

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 1:58am
  58. figures what next face east for prayers

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 2:21am
  59. Sadly Catholics are donating their dollars to this tax-exempt hate organization that lobbies in Washington for control of women’s reproductive health and against same-sex civil marriage and adoption.

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 2:21am
  60. Not This Catholic

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 2:22am
  61. Religion. The point of it being not to worship but promote good ethic and nature. It is not meant to assimilate our lives.If we all took the Bible literally or at least allowed to be the basis of our government and lives, we would spiral into chaos.

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 2:25am
  62. Finally people are starting to think for themselves and find a moral compass that is compassionate and based on love rather than centuries of distrust in new ideas and ways of life.

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 3:00am
  63. This shocks no one. A bunch of bigots that will NEVER get of. Hypocrites.

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 3:06am
  64. There’s more sin there than in my bedroom!

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 3:07am
  65. No One Has The Right To Judge You Are Not God .Only God Can Judge Stop The Hate

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 3:07am
  66. It’s the end of the world as we know it…. Sensible Catholics *gasp*

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 3:12am
  67. change and evolve or become endangered and eventually extinct.

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 3:26am
  68. Religion is not the Devil’s work Joe. It is using religion for evil purposes that is the Devil’s work. Big difference.

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 3:32am
  69. And birth control.

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 4:01am
  70. Not this Catholic

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 4:19am
  71. you want to bet that the Church won’t change on these issues, with Pope Francis in charge, anything’s possible

    Posted on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 at 4:29am