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Oregon investigators: Bakery unlawfully discriminated against lesbian couple

Saturday, January 18, 2014

PORTLAND, Ore. — A suburban Portland bakery violated the civil rights of a same-sex couple by refusing to bake a cake for the women’s wedding, the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries said Friday.

Sweet Cakes owner Aaron Klein

Sweet Cakes owner Aaron Klein

Investigators found substantial evidence that Sweet Cakes by Melissa unlawfully discriminated against the couple based on their sexual orientation, agency spokesman Charlie Burr said.

The state will oversee a conciliation process to see if the parties can reach a settlement, The Oregonian reported. If not, the labor bureau may pursue charges before an administrative law judge.

Oregon law bans discrimination against gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people in jobs and in places that serve the public, such as restaurants and bakeries.

The 2007 law provides an exemption for religious organizations and parochial schools but does not allow private business owners to discriminate b ased on sexual orientation.

Rachel Cryer and Laurel Bowman of Portland say they were denied a wedding cake last January by the bakery’s owners, Aaron and Melissa Klein. The women filed a complaint with the state.

Cryer said she went to the Gresham bakery on Jan. 17, 2013, and met with Aaron Klein, who asked for the date and names of the bride and groom.

“I told him, ‘There are two brides and our names are Rachel and Laurel,’” her complaint said.

Klein responded that he and his wife didn’t serve same-sex weddings and “cited a religious belief for (the) refusal to make cakes for same-sex couples planning to marry,” the complaint said.

Herbert Grey, the Kleins’ lawyer, said his clients will participate in the conciliation process but maintain their original stance. The Kleins have said they weren’t discriminating against the couple, who were customers in the past. Instead, they said they were practicing their constitutional right to religious freed om. They have said baking a cake for a same-sex wedding would violate their Christian beliefs.

“They’re being punished by the state of Oregon for refusing to participate in an event that the state of Oregon does not recognize,” Grey said.

Oregon voters decided in 2004 to amend the state constitution to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman. An initiative to overturn the ban is expected to be on the 2014 ballot. Oregon officials have said the state will recognize same-sex marriages of couples who wed in other states or countries.

Paul Thompson, a lawyer for Cryer and Bowman, told the newspaper that the women consider the investigation’s findings bittersweet. They are about as pleased as they can be, given that the investigation ultimately determined they experienced discrimination, he said.

Since the case began, the Kleins have moved their business to their home, the newspaper said.

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  1. In the immortal words of Nelson Muntz…HAHA.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:08pm
  2. What a real loser.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:09pm
  3. I wouldn’t want a bigot cake anyway.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:10pm
  4. yeah, they might poison you.

    Replied on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:26pm
  5. "You live by the cake, You die by the cake!" ~ Gabriel Iglesias

    Replied on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 6:07pm
  6. exactly...why fight about it on whats supposed to be your special day.id rather have no cake

    Replied on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 6:51pm
  7. You fight because it's the principle of the matter, not because you really really want a cake from them. I'm sure they won't bother getting a cake from this bakery, regardless of the outcome of the lawsuit.

    Replied on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 8:20pm
  8. You're right. We should just let people continue to walk over us

    Replied on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 8:55pm
  9. What else could they have found? The bakery is NOT a church..just two people hiding behind bigotry and hatred in the name of their god as did those who defended slavery!!

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:11pm
  10. “I don’t serve black people, my holy book calls them slaves”. Discrimination is discrimination.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:12pm
  11. Pathetic Racist! So you still exist? Well,you should know your ancestors are all dead!

    Replied on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:20pm
  12. Ummmm Zack...where in the holy book does it mention "color" of slaves?

    Replied on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:23pm
  13. Ivy needs to adjust the settings on his sarcasm detector.

    Replied on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:49pm
  14. Ivy - I wasn't being serious.

    Replied on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 5:44pm
  15. Some people are too dumb to be on the internet.

    Replied on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 6:00pm
  16. Bad business ethics in my opinion!! Tha’ts why I never bring my religion into business because the 2 just don’t mix well together! Serves them right!!

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:14pm
  17. Money isn’t gay WTF you think he would be ok with it as long as he is getting paid who the fuck cares . Some people are so dumb just dumb. Does he not serve African Americans or any other race? Hope his business doesn’t go under because of this poor naïve fella how sad and pathetic this is.+

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:15pm
  18. Someone tell them that someone who is not hetero will eat a cake every day.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:16pm
  19. Just bake “US” our damn cakes..

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:17pm
  20. “Religious Freedom” means you have the right to practice your religion, not the right to discriminate based on it. They’re forgetting the First Amendment also protects my right of “Freedom from Religion,” which means I can’t be discriminated against based on someone else’s religion.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:17pm
  21. Fucking bullshit…. Homophobic pigs….

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:17pm
  22. If Melisa Etherege or Ellen and Porche came in to buy I wonder if he would sell to them. and does he listen to her music and/or watch Ellen hmmm

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:21pm
  23. They this is why I can’t stand homophobic fucks………..

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:22pm
  24. If they don’t want to follow the state laws where they live them shut them down.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:23pm
  25. In that pic he’s got the face of a politician that got caught cheating lol

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:24pm
  26. What’s new

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:24pm
  27. …bad business management…

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:26pm
  28. The pretty otter discriminated against queer folks? Bad boy *spanks over my knee*

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:26pm
  29. I like you.

    Replied on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:52pm
  30. Keep your fxxxing homophobic cakes!

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:27pm
  31. They were a business open to the public, that qualifies them as unlawful discrimination. If they knew the law, they would have known that.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:28pm
  32. Let’s just home someone doesn’t try to push through a “religious freedom protection” law (aka, “civil rights loophole” law) like they’re doing in Arizona.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:29pm
  33. Their shop closed a while back and they are now baking and selling cakes out of their home.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:31pm
  34. would you buy some thing from a gay man that tells you a Catholic school had the right to fire a male teacher who married a man? Other teachers have pictures of spouse and kids on the desk but he can’t have a picture of his hubby and adopted kids.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:31pm
  35. i would just go to a different bakery…that one don’t deserve your hard earned money anyway

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:34pm
  36. what do you want to bet having two women or watching two women having sex turns him on lol

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:37pm
  37. Eventually business owners will realize that discriminating against others regardless of the reason is bad for business. They might initially see an upswing in their cakes because the christian martyrs will want to come to their rescue, but eventually that will fall off and only their hate will be remembered. As a business owner I’d rather be remembered for something positive not something negative. These people need to move to Russia. They’d love it there.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:42pm
  38. Let’s all (LGBTQQ and supporters, etc) band together and not ever do business with any homophobic establishments, people, place, or things. For myself, I have done this for years and will continue to do so…forever.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:45pm
  39. BOYCOTT

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:45pm
  40. “…they were practicing their constitutional right to religious freedom. They have said baking a cake for a same-sex wedding would violate their Christian beliefs.”

    NO! This case is not and never has been about “religious freedom”.

    The bakers made a conscious and clear decision to knowingly apply for that specific type of secular business license for their secular business dealing with the public at large.

    That specific business license requires ALL businesses open to the public’s wallets to provide any and all of their business products or services equally and without prejudice to any member of the general public who enters their premises during business hours and indicates their demand for such product or service and offers to pay the price.

    Their license application therefore, was made in dishonesty and with deliberate intent to disobey the laws of the land and to defraud members of the public through making only selective sales based on their hateful and arbitrary prejudices against certain whole classes of Americans while billing themselves as a general bakery.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:48pm
  41. Wrong,. Any privately owned business can choose who they deal with. A non-secular license simply means you're not a religious institution and have to pay taxes.

    Replied on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 6:02pm
  42. Wrong. This is the basis of this case in law. The business license is issued precisely as a secular legal covenant between government, business, and the general public for the business to profit solely from providing a useful product or service to said public at large. In order for this business to obtain this secular privilege of opening it's private doors onto the public sidewalk and into the public's wallets for the express purposes of sucking money out of that public's wallets, the owners became knowingly and deliberately beholden to that law which forbids them from refusing to provide their stated products or services to ALL of the public upon demand and payment. The term "privately owned business" serves only to define a business from a "publicly traded business" which has shareholders rather than being owned by a family or partners. No one has a right to suck money from the public trough whilst being an unreasonable tyrant and making up their own rules as they go along. Had they wished to willingly discriminate they could have instead sought license as a "private club" and then sold private memberships to whomever they chose and sold only to their select membership. One cannot suck out of the wallet of Caesar when it is convenient for cash flow and then claim they only render to their deities of choice when they wake up with a random chip on their shoulder against one or another marginalized minority from whom they had sucked plenty of profit in the past. A business is a privilege, not a dictatorship.

    Replied on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 6:16pm
  43. As above, there's no such thing as a right to refuse service unless the organization can indicate very good reasoning for doing so. http://www.legalzoom.com/us-law/equal-rights/right-refuse-service

    Replied on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 8:22pm
  44. Businesses HAVE NOT had the right to refuse service SINCE the PASSAGE of the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT. Remember segregation??? CANT HAPPEN ANYMORE!

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 12:09am
  45. http://www.legalzoom.com/us-law/equal-rights/right-refuse-service

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 12:09am
  46. Civil rights do not include forcing a contract on someone else. Baked goods are not a civil right. No business should be forced to accept an order from anybody.

    If a business refuses to serve someone based on their sexuality or some other part of their life they cannot control, then that business can suffer the loss of revenue that word of mouth provides. Why force them to do something when their refusal will lead directly to their punishment?

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:51pm
  47. Had a grocery store refused service to someone based on their sexuality, I'd be screaming for them to be slapped hard and maybe even shut down. I just see a difference between contracted business, like a bakery, and direct retail, like a grocery store. Yes, I am appalled that any business chooses to discriminate based on sexuality, but I can see where pressure from the community would be worth more than a federal or state slap followed by being forced to perform the service. These business owners will feel justified in their behavior, and will feel like they were being punished for their religious beliefs. They won't feel the pressure of the community, which is what can shut down a business like that. With media coverage, the hate-filled asshats will come out of the woodwork and support this place, where basic word of mouth would have closed the business doors in a short time. If these people are going to be punished for what they do, make it a massive fine and public display of the charge levied against them... something in big, bold, black and white that has to be prominently displayed in their front window. That's how you punish a business for discrimination, not forcing them to do something they don't want to do and will probably mess up deliberately, anyways.

    Replied on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 7:45pm
  48. Even if they win, will you buy a cake from someone who hates you? I know I wouldn’t

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 4:57pm
  49. And in Arizona they are trying to pass legislation that will make it OK to discriminate against LGBT community on religious grounds – talk about ignorance and hate. The republicans and haters just don’t get it. Where is religion in “hate they neighbor”.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 5:00pm
  50. Why shouldn’t they be compensated L.W.? I don’t understand the aversion some Americans have to the concept of punitive damages.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 5:05pm
  51. w t f a cake is cake

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 5:05pm
  52. everyone’s feeling the pinch Todd, no one wants to see anyone getting any more money than them, any more status than them, anything better than them. we are feeling broke and cheated because democracy and economic parity have been conflated.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 5:08pm
  53. If you open a social bakery for the community you can not discriminate against who wants what. You are not an exclusive country club or the boy scouts and you know how that turned out.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 5:11pm
  54. I thought he lost the business awhile back. All the bad publicity & attorney fees sank him.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 5:18pm
  55. Pray til you’re blue in the face assholes. Your business died because of your biotry.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 5:45pm
  56. If the don’t want gay dollars go somewhere else but let everyone know not to shop there

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 5:49pm
  57. LOL

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 5:52pm
  58. I know they guys a bigot but… are there no other bakeries in town? If the guy wants to screw himself out of paying customers, that’s his business. Why do we have to file suit against every asshole with his panties in a bunch? I can see suing Government agencies for denial of rights, that needs to be dealt with for sure of if he fired one of his employees for being gay. At a certain point, it’s not tolerance were after, were trying to enforce acceptance which just makes the fight longer and bloodier.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 5:56pm
  59. Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 6:09pm
  60. Go to a different bakery! Not everyone is going to like you. Not everyone is going to agree with you. Why would you want to give your money to someone who hates you because of who you love?

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 6:11pm
  61. What some self loathing self denying gay men will go to to get laid in Prison by a big black guy names Bubba.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 6:14pm
  62. Me and my partner would just go to a different bakery this is getting way out of hand now .

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 6:16pm
  63. Personally I don’t think religion belongs in businesses like bakeries but that my opinion. Secondly if I were needing a cake and the owner didn’t want to bake it for me because of their own personal beliefs I feel they should be entitled to that. However, there are a few consequences – I wouldn’t want someone to have my business now or ever if they discriminated agains me and 2 the whole world would know an not only would they lose my business but my friends and families also. The beauty about our world is there are many “bakers” just as talented or more so than “those that discriminate.” This is my opinion is a poor business decision as money is money. But again, I don’t think the couple should have sued, should have just given bad review and taken money elsewhere – why would they insist on this person makin them a cake anyways? I’m confused. Business is about making money not crapping on hands that feed you

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 6:23pm
  64. Huzzah!

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 6:28pm
  65. is this again? or repeat of the last?

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 7:01pm
  66. Boycott and put him out of business

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 7:02pm
  67. Somebody thought they could get away with discrimination in a city like Portland? What an idiot.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 7:07pm
  68. and now they will be out of business for simply not wanting to do a cake for a lesbian couple…fuck sakes they are idiots, money has no color or sexual orientation, a customer is a customer so they can go bankrupt for all I care

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 7:15pm
  69. Ha haaa. Hope they lose their business.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 7:31pm
  70. leave those ladies alone

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 7:40pm
  71. he is a jerk sending away coustomers .bad business

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 7:41pm
  72. Were they the only bakery in the town? At least he was up-front; when we ordered our Wedding cake from WalMart in Patterson, Ca, they fucked up the order on purpose! Instead of saying, sorry, we can’t do that…they fucked up the cake! With no time to order another one from elsewhere, we had to make due and alter our own Wedding cake!

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 7:46pm
  73. Americans are homeless. Our children go hungry. Are schools are a joke and we risk our lives every time we drive over a bridge. Worrying about who a perps chooses to love shouldn’t even be on the radar. Oops, I forgot, the “Christians” are saving us. Holy crap. Wake up to our real problems America!

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 7:46pm
  74. This is pure and simple illegal discrimination and cannot be tolerated by a civilized society. People who state that the couple should have just gone to another bakery just don’t get it.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 7:52pm
  75. so it takes 4 months of investigation to find out the inevitable

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 7:57pm
  76. take the bigot cake, but also have another one from another bakery, using the bigot cake to blow up with m-80′s and post on youtube.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 8:07pm
  77. To be able to pick and choose who you discriminate against is nonsense. Are the KKK immune from accusations of racism because it is part of their core beliefs?

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 8:10pm
  78. AND I THOUGHT OREGON WAS A LIBERAL STATE!!

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 8:11pm
  79. “They have said baking a cake for a same-sex wedding would violate their Christian beliefs.”

    Got to love that cherry picking

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 8:31pm
  80. Oh so their money was good before?
    Pick and choose your financial interactions like their interpretation of Christ’s teachings? You fucking hypocrites don’t deserve a profitable business.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 8:42pm
  81. i think its not ok because he can discriminate against man on man weddings

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 8:45pm
  82. Jesus woulda baked it

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 9:21pm
  83. If we treated every business owner based on there religious beliefs, then they wouldn’t have much of a business. If Starbucks, McDonalds, Pizza Hut, Dunkin Donuts served the customers as being human beings and said no to someone that sleeps with the same sex, there business would take a turn for the worse. Those businesses is only examples, nothing is against them I say. But a business that discriminates against same sex or regular customers, should not be serving the public by any means.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 9:37pm
  84. Religion doesn’t give them immunity from discrimination law.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 9:39pm
  85. Oh, c’mon! They were practicing their religion? Because a core Christian value is denying services to people based on their perceived sins? No, no it’s not. Christians are supposed to love and not judge – so said Jesus. So have fun with that argument.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 9:43pm
  86. Jake Zion, if you’re so certain that the bible says not to be gay, then you can go ahead and not be gay… But that doesn’t give you the right to go against other biblical teachings and condemn gay people to death.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 9:48pm
  87. Just the bloody cake idiot! You can carpet -munch your wife any how! Envious mf!

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 10:42pm
  88. Sometimes I feel like we look for these places. If I know that some company or someone is against me or my friends (LGBT Community), then I don’t give them my business. Plain and simple. I tell friends about it and we boycott. That is what I do. I don’t try and force them to take my money. I don’t want to help them stay in business. The free market will win out, not the courts of unlawful discrimination. Yes it is unlawful discrimination. They can sue if they want to. I would be looking for a bakery that supports us. We have to continue to support LGBT and LGBT friendly business. We need to quit supporting those that discriminate against us.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 10:46pm
  89. insert muslim, hindu, black, yellow or red…and he would not be allowed to discriminate…If you serve the PUBLIC..you serve all the public.

    Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 at 11:18pm
  90. We wouldn’t be having any conflict if they had discriminated against a black couple. Discrimination is never ok.

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 12:28am
  91. He’s baked!

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 12:39am
  92. Put em on our list so that we don’t further offend by asking. If you are an lgbt person, or if you care about lgbt people, do not bother with this bakery.

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 7:51pm
  93. You can't let them continue to discriminate.....call them out on their ignorance of the law, while at the same time use gay and lesbian friendly businesses.

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:58pm
  94. Apparently, they are now closed. GOOD!!

    Replied on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 7:26am
  95. Kevin Shiver-Bradford Doug Bradford. Thoughts?

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 7:52pm
  96. I do not agree with this ruling. A business has the right to refuse service to anyone. The only way to make these business owners stop refusing service is to not do business with them. Get the message out and boycott them. There are many other businesses who will happily take our business.

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 7:56pm
  97. clearly you need to read the law

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:19pm
  98. I have. It is a good law against discrimination. Does not mean i have to agree with it.

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:25pm
  99. A business does NOT have the right to refuse service to anyone. That's why they ran afoul of the law. http://www.legalzoom.com/us-law/equal-rights/right-refuse-service

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:40pm
  100. The stupid bitch and her husband have refused to budge. Let’s see how long they’re going to cite their stupid religious beliefs the more and more they keep getting their asses handed to them. How worth it was it to sacrifice your business in the name of Jesus who’s apparently homophobic?

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 7:58pm
  101. calling Jesus names now too as a pathetic attempt to justify your choise of sexual partner?

    Replied on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 2:08am
  102. Did you actually pass reading comprehension, Cheryl, because if you had, you would have realized the irony there.

    Replied on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 5:18am
  103. Put this POS out of biz.

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 7:59pm
  104. THEY ARE ALREADY...

    Replied on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 3:07am
  105. really? since when?

    Replied on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 3:19am
  106. seriously?! All human decency aside, that’s not even a good business decision. Couple of ass bags.

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:00pm
  107. Not when the law clearly says otherwise.

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:00pm
  108. Pretty sure here in the UK it is illegal to do that anyway.

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:01pm
  109. A business does NOT have the right to refuse service to anyone unless it’s a drink to a drunk patron. As witnessed by this ruling. You cannot discriminate!

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:03pm
  110. It constantly astounds me how many people are willing to throw their own community under the bus just because they don’t have a basic, fundamental grasp of anti-discrimination law. It’s really simple.

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:07pm
  111. Glad to see bigots being punished. Just sad these asshats are in my lovely state of Oregon.

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:10pm
  112. I hope their home is zoned to be business as well….and they have a health inspector checking for proper handling of the food still.

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:12pm
  113. They have a right to run a private business and make private transactions with whoever they choose, and please do not throw “it’s the law” at me. It’s “the law” that gays can’t get married in many states and yet you oppose that. Maybe instead of forcing your views down an individual’s throat you go to a bakery not run by a bigot?

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:16pm
  114. If a business is OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, they cannot discriminate in this way. IT'S THE LAW!

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:27pm
  115. Or they could, you know, follow the law. Since, you know, it's the fucking law. That might be a better idea than packing up the gay rights movement and going home.

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:27pm
  116. Oh - and "It's "the law" that gays can't get married in many states and yet you oppose that." Yeah that's why we're trying to change the law, instead of just breaking it. This dickhead is more than welcome to try to reverse 60 years of civil rights progress and overturn anti-discrimination laws. It'd be fun to see how that works out for him.

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:38pm
  117. If their business were indeed private, then yes, they would have the right to make private transactions with whoever they choose. Their business is not private. It requires no membership or application. Businesses open to the public must conform to anti-discrimination laws and this one did not. Open and shut. http://www.legalzoom.com/us-law/equal-rights/right-refuse-service

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:39pm
  118. Let me just make a suggestion…try real hard not to attack someone with an alternative view – they may be wrong, but you will never change their position if you call them haters, bigots, or belittle their comments. Give others the benefit of the doubt, the discussion will progress better. I think with kindness, people can agree to disagree but also accept one another as equals.

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:16pm
  119. Suggestion noted. And dismissed. If someone's being a bigot, I'll continue to call them a bigot.

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:28pm
  120. Yeah, I agree, Cheryl. It seems like the LGBT community is sadly turning into even bigger bullies than the "bigots" they're so against.

    Replied on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 12:50am
  121. then jay kibby go ahead and keep making yourself look stupid...my post was neutral I didnt take a side.

    Replied on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 2:10am
  122. Just go somewhere else therefore these idiotic bigots will lose money & that’s the best of all justice for these intolerable bigots
    I’m sure there has to be a company happy to make your cake without the drama

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:16pm
  123. I would have loved to see you say the same thing to blacks eating at lunch counters in the 60s. Wow.

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 9:34pm
  124. There are plenty of bakeries this one has the right to refuse to bake for the couple and the couple and their friends have a right to boycott this bakery I as a gay man wouldn’t want a bigoted bakery making a cake for me anyway

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:17pm
  125. No, they do not, in fact, have the right to refuse service. http://www.legalzoom.com/us-law/equal-rights/right-refuse-service

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:39pm
  126. How about the bigoted only grocery store for 100 miles? You good with going without food?

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:48pm
  127. we have that law here in the uk and the odd weirdo that hits our papers refusing to serve the lgbt community. Not sure what theyre logic is however, as when they drive on roads that taxes paid for, and send their kids to schools the government built with the publics taxes, the Lgbt contributed to that too. would love to meet one of these people. Purely to ask abt their logic behind that thought.

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:18pm
  128. poor babies, they found out they’re not special and the law applies to them too…

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:18pm
  129. Some say go else where to mk the purchase, but that is not the point. U cannot do business, n exclude customers an expect not to be called on it. If U don’t want to serve me because I am a person of color n gay, get out of the business!

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:24pm
  130. I hate that the bakers are going down for this, because if I owned a business, I’d like to be able to refuse service to people I think are ignorant dicks, bigots, religious zealots, and republicans. Hmmm..I guess my sales wouldn’t be good because I think 99% of all humans fall under those labels.

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:24pm
  131. You'd also be sued for discrimination and would lose. You do not have the right to refuse service. http://www.legalzoom.com/us-law/equal-rights/right-refuse-service

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:40pm
  132. Actually, only religious zealots would be covered. Ignorance, bigotry and political affiliation are not protected classes.

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:49pm
  133. Jesus said to love all dont speak religon to me im a grand daughter of a pentacostal preacher i can do circles around people who want to qoute the bible. When jesus said to love all he ment to LOVE ALL not just some. Jesus didnt discriminate against anyone sinners and all he loved us all and will continue to love us all. Theres only one who can judge me and thats god himself! And yes a busisness has the right to refuse service but i dont believe or feel they have the right to refuse service because of the reliougs beliefs or that they are racist. Thats wrong. Martin luther king fought for black people to have rights and many others fought for civil rights and i feel as a homosexual its time for us to have rights just as anyone else and not feel discriminated against. These women obviously trusted these people to do business with and i say shame on them for putting there racist beliefs in front of there buisness.

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:26pm
  134. Im trans…but imma be honest..i don’t think its right thats hes forced to bake a cake tht he doesn’t want too. And too be honest…if you have to FORCE someone to bake a cake for a gay couple..i wouldn’t want the cake anyway..whether if its for religious beliefs or just being a biggot if he refused me i wouldnt want him to bake a cake for anyone homosexual. This guy is obviously a douche. Money is money. And if he wants to lose out just because someone is gay thats his sutpidity and homohpobia…He has a deep hate within himself and shows it on others obviously..

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:31pm
  135. I take it you're in favor of whites-only water fountains too then.

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 9:19pm
  136. That doesn't even make any sense. Lol.

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 9:29pm
  137. It's exactly the same thing. You want people to be allowed to discriminate against you. Beyond the self-loathing, it's literally scrapping 60 years of civil rights progress.

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 9:32pm
  138. You obviously did select reading. I said anyone who has to FORCE someone to bake a cake for someone whos gay isn't even worth the effort. Its obviously not LGBT friendly. Eventually he'll run himself into the ground. Theres gonna be more and more same sex marrages and if he wants to miss out on that for being a biggot it'll hurt him. (Hopefully enough to put himself out of business) Those are gay rights. It really wouldn't be discriminate against me i'm transgender. Thats another set of issues. So how i would WANT someone to discriminate against me is a very ludacris statement to make. My point is, forcing people isn't gonna maKe them accept it or like it anymore now than before. My point is someday people like this guy will no long be around and more open minded and accepting people will come along to the point were blacks and whites are now. No 1 even thinks about race anymore like they did 50 n 60 years ago, It'll be the same way for gay and trans ppl eventually. No one will give a fuck who you are and just see a person.

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 9:40pm
  139. "Theres gonna be more and more same sex marrages and if he wants to miss out on that for being a biggot it'll hurt him." Same sex marriage isn't legal in Oregon. "So how i would WANT someone to discriminate against me is a very ludacris statement to make. " Oh sorry, you just want them to discriminate against us, then. Got it, but btw, I'm not campaigning to force you to use the bathroom of your born gender. I support your rights; it'd be cool if you returned the favor. "My point is, forcing people isn't gonna maKe them accept it or like it anymore now than before." Yeah just like those pesky blacks in the 60s at those lunch counters. Didn't change a thing! "My point is someday people like this guy will no long be around and more open minded and accepting people will come along to the point were blacks and whites are now." We need anti-discrimination law NOW. Not just in 60 years.

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 9:46pm
  140. Oh wow...either your speed reading or you can't read.... first of all "Ban the blacks?"...unless your blind which you appear to be..i am black and trans at that. secondly.....i didn't say same sex marrage was legal everywhere...i said there's gonna be MORE AND MORE. And if your gonna give me a bunch of drama about how its not legal there..same sex marrages wasn't legal in a few states but now they are. As i said..things..take..time. Obviously i'm saying its gonna progress....jesus dude. And did i say i wanted people to discriminate against you or did i say its gonna still happen and one day it'll become less and less? In the aspect of rights were all in the same boat. Just gay rights a little more advance than say 15 years ago. Rome wasn't built in a day. The same basic rights we have now took years. As i said before if we rush it it'll just make more problems. Civil rights were rushed once and racism was at its all time high. So my point is things take time. Obviously we need those kinds of laws now. I'm saying we should progress gradually.. Instead of attacking what i'm saying and being defensive, read between the lines...

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 10:01pm
  141. This business in fact did have the right to refuse to service to anyone, based on anything other than those protected by the law of their state. There is an antidiscrimination law on the books in their state, that states you can not refuse service based on sexual orientation, if they wish to continue to do so I suggest they move their business to a state that does not have a such a law. Freedom of religion does not mean that it is ok to force your religious beliefs on others or to use your religious beliefs to discriminate against others.

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:33pm
  142. Idiot

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:33pm
  143. There is no “alternative” view point here. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:39pm
  144. Karma.

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:41pm
  145. If they have a sign up saying ” we reserve the right to refuse anyone service for any reason” then yes they do have that right

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:45pm
  146. No, they don't.

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:56pm
  147. That's like saying "If I put a sign up in my car that I'm allowed to do 100 in a 50, then yes I do have that right."

    Replied on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:57pm
  148. No problem with anti-discrimination laws, but feel that we should really out the word out: these folks don’t want to be bothered with us. If you are lgbt or care about lgbt people, don’t bother these freakin people anymore. AND I am grateful for anti-discrimination laws too.

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:45pm
  149. ASSHOLE!!!

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:49pm
  150. Would the couple at this point even eat a cake if made by this bakery

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 8:52pm
  151. Exactly Allan, yes to both!

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 9:02pm
  152. This is not LGBTQ related. I worked in a bakery dept of a grocery store chain. I was new,did not know how to ‘write’ on cakes. A young black woman working with me did know how to do this. A couple came in,wanted a cake with writing on it. I told them I didn’t know how to do this,but,the lady working with me did. The redneck man ( using that term ‘man’ loosely) smirked & said he wanted Happy Birthday from the KKK on his cake & laughed. I refused his request. End of story. Looking back I wish I’d had the sense to put him in his place. People can be so cruel.

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 9:14pm
  153. That is what he gets! Yeah!

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 9:14pm
  154. As a former chef, every time I hear about yet another pastry shop refusing gay customers I can’t help but think about all those many gay and gay-friendly bakers/bakeries out there who are are struggling in this cruddy economy and are maybe just one utility bill or food-delivery invoice away from having to lock the doors and close-up shop for good. My gay brothers & sisters while we’re focusing on begging & demanding unfriendly str8 businesses to like us & take our money just to make a political point, we’re neglecting those who we ought to be giving our every dollar to in the first damned place. Think people! THINK!

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 9:22pm
  155. Psycho on parade

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 9:25pm
  156. Since when does a business have the right to discriminate based on their religious beliefs? That is just wrong! Candy coating it by saying it is because of your religious beliefs does not mean that it is not discrimination. Discrimination is discrimination no matter what!!! Can I take someone’s life because the bible says an eye for an eye?

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 9:33pm
  157. @hole!!!!

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 9:41pm
  158. what a loser..he’s not man enough to be with a man..lol

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 10:22pm
  159. It’s interesting to note the “VANS” shirt he’s wearing. Vans Shoes is owned by VF Corporation. VF Corporation values diversity and offers same-sex domestic partner benefits to it’s employees! What a hypocrite he is for wearing that shirt! http://www.vfc.com/careers/benefits

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 10:30pm
  160. They got what they asked for…..Justice!

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 10:31pm
  161. If you live in Central Maine, use The Bankery. That is NOT a typo by the way, it’s a new bakery in the old bank, hence the name. My brother from New York says that it’s the best he’s tasted, which is saying something because New York is known for having the best bakeries and deli’s in the US.

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 10:58pm
  162. HA, HA! Who’s cake on their face now?!

    Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 11:25pm
  163. Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 11:36pm
  164. I hate this city cant wait to move inbox me whats cool about your city

    Posted on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 12:52am
  165. While the discrimination lawsuit was very important. The LGBT community should spend their money in more gay friendly establishments. Quit giving the homophobes our hard earned dollars and help out “our” fellow man! ;-)

    Posted on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 12:54am
  166. Ha-fucking-ha, asshat.

    Posted on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 1:08am
  167. GOOD!!

    Posted on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 1:09am
  168. Paul I was watching an HBO show called HUNG I swear I saw Jim in it, was that him

    Posted on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 1:16am
  169. You are not practicing your religion when you are baking fucking cakes for pay. Your religious freedoms are not being violated when someone offers to pay you money for a mound of flour, eggs, and sugar. This dude needs a fucking reality check. Biblical passages also call for slaves, subjugation of women, and the conversion of non-believers. He’d half to stop serving 90% of Portland. smh at dumb people always.

    Posted on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 1:26am
  170. CALL JESUS AND ASK WHAT HAPPENED….WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY IS THIS HAPPENING TO YOU COUPLE OF IDIOTS ! AND REPOST AS SOON AS U GET AN ANSWER…WE ALL WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

    Posted on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 3:05am
  171. snub the bakery-i wouldnt spend my money there–

    Posted on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 3:56am
  172. We all know he has a closet full of girl on girl porn.

    Posted on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 5:43am
  173. yeah, don’t respect people for their religious beliefs, oh, that would be wrong to believe there is a God after all this you fucking haters, you speak of tolerance but you show none, fucking hypocrites

    Posted on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 10:02am
  174. ^what?

    Posted on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 10:49am
  175. Why should they even be running a business, they’re extremely unprofessional. They’re not responsible to handle a business or treat people with respect. Don’t they know that when they run a business, it’s not about them it’s about their customers.

    Posted on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 2:50pm
  176. This is old news, these guys are on their way out of business if they haven’t already last I heard- and that was 4 months ago.

    Posted on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 3:19pm
  177. Just stop going there & put this ass out of business.

    Posted on Monday, January 20, 2014 at 3:22pm