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Monday, February 10, 2014
Douglas C Pizac, APThe Mormon Temple spires in Salt Lake City, next to the Utah Capitol building.

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The Mormon Temple spires in Salt Lake City, next to the Utah Capitol building.

Updated: 7:00 p.m. MST

SALT LAKE CITY — A coalition of religious organizations has come together to urge a federal appeals court to uphold same-sex marriage bans in Utah and Oklahoma, saying unions between a man and woman are best for children, families and society.

The argument was made in a 42-page brief filed Monday afternoon to a Denver-based court reviewing cases that could reverse gay-marriage bans in Utah and Oklahoma.

Lawyers for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops wrote the brief, which was signed by the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention and the Lutheran Church – Missouri Synod.

“Our respective religious doctrines hold that marriage between a man and a woman is sanctioned by God as the right and best setting for bearing and raising children,” it says. “We believe that children, families, society, and our nation thrive best when husband-wife marriage is upheld and strengthened as a cherished, primary social institution.”

The coalition struck back at the notion that opposing gay marriage makes one anti-gay, irrational or bigoted.

“The accusation is false and offensive,” it says. “It is intended to suppress rational dialogue and democratic conversation, to win by insult and intimidation rather than by reason, experience, and fact.”

They say they have no ill will toward same-sex couples, only “marriage-affirming religious beliefs,” supported by sociological facts, saying holding on to the man-woman definition of marriage is essential.

The “friend of the court” brief was one of several submitted Monday by groups, professors and state attorneys general supporting Utah and Oklahoma in their efforts to persuade the Denver-based 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to reverse recent rulings by federal court judges.

Shannon Minter, legal director for the National Center for Lesbian Rights, said Monday that religions will always be free to choose which marriages they perform.

But in a statement, Minter added that “the state cannot exclude any group of people from a fundamental right based on religious views held by some. Our society is strengthened when the law both supports all families and protects the freedoms of conscience and belief.”

The organization is teaming with a pair of Salt Lake City attorneys to represent the pro-gay marriage case.

Utah state attorneys filed their opening argument in support of banning gay marriage last week, saying the optimal environment for raising children is with a mother and father. The state contends that redefining marriage poses “real, concrete risks to children” because not having a mother or father leads to emotional damage. The state said its duty is to look out for the long-term interests of children who can’t defend themselves.

Attorneys for three gay and lesbian couples in Utah who brought the lawsuit against Utah will file their response by Feb. 25. Organizations who want to send in arguments in support of the couples have until March 4.

The couples’ attorneys have scoffed at the notion that gay and lesbian couples make inferior parents, saying there is no scientific evidence to back that claim.

They also have pointed to the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling last summer striking down part of the federal Defense of Marriage Act as backing in this case. In that decision, the justices wrote that limiting marriages to a man and a woman relegates gay marriages to second-class status and “humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples.”

A hearing has been set for April 10 in Denver.

The court will then decide if it agrees with a federal judge in Utah who in mid-December overturned the 2004-voter passed ban, saying it violates gay and lesbian couples’ rights to due process and equal protection under the 14th Amendment. The appeals court also is reviewing a similar decision about Oklahoma’s ban, and a hearing on that case has been set for April 17.

The arguments in support of Utah’s gay-marriage ban, passed by two-thirds of voters in 2004, trickled in Monday.

Attorneys general from Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Indiana, Montana, Nebraska, Oklahoma and South Carolina filed a brief that said same-sex marriage is not part of the country’s roots and traditions.

“Traditional marriage is too deeply imbedded in our laws, history and traditions for a court to hold that more recent state constitutional enactment of that definition is illegitimate or irrational,” Indiana Attorney General Greg Zoeller wrote.

The Institute for Marriage and Public Policy argued in court papers submitted Monday that the federal government doesn’t have the right to tell states how to regulate marriage. Others weighing include college professors offering their opinion on whether the U.S. Constitution grants gays and lesbians the right to marry.

The conservative Sutherland Institute of Utah argued in its brief that families led by mothers and fathers are an integral part of “ordered liberty” that allows children to be raised with “social constraint” and “moral character.”

The members of religious coalition said in their paper they have unequaled practical experience that offers proof of the benefits from mother-father parenting. On the flip side, the coalition says, “we deal daily with the devastating effects of out-of-wedlock births, failed marriages, and the general decline of the venerable husband-wife marriage institution.”

The actions of the Utah-based Mormon church have been closely watched since the surprise ruling from the federal judge on Dec. 20.

The faith’s stance on homosexuality has softened considerably since it was one of the leading forces behind California’s Proposition 8 ban on gay marriage.

A new website launched last year encouraged more compassion toward gays, imploring them to stay in the faith and clarifying that church leaders no longer “necessarily advise” gays to marry people of the opposite sex in what used to be a widely practiced Mormon workaround for homosexuality.

Also last year, church leaders backed the Boy Scouts’ policy allowing gays in the ranks. Some gay Mormons who left or were forced out of the church say they are now being welcomed back — even though they remain in same-sex relationships.

But the church has left little doubt how it feels about same-sex marriage in the last month.

As hundreds of gay and lesbian couples married in Utah after that ruling, the church told local leaders that same-sex wedding ceremonies and receptions were prohibited in their churches. That same day, church leaders reminded members that civil law or trends in society cannot change the “moral law that God has established.”

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  1. Nobody cares what that cult thinks seriously NOBODY no gays at all

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:39pm
  2. Their numbers indicate that someone needs to be aware of their actions.

    Replied on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:47pm
  3. let us remember they found their religion in a hat..twice

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:39pm
  4. … and why polygamy is a better option!

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:39pm
  5. Smh…

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:41pm
  6. IT’S NOT THEIR ISSUE! GET THE CHURCH OUT OF THE GOVERNMENT! The Mormon church, ALL churches, need to start taxes if they are going to be getting involved in politics and legal issues like this. SCREW THE MORMON CHURCH!

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:41pm
  7. Religion and politics should remain separate.

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:41pm
  8. The Mormon church has no vote. If they do, they need to pay some serious back taxes.

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:42pm
  9. great reply

    Replied on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:51pm
  10. Court systems aren't run on "votes." It's not a vote, it's an Amicus Brief, (aka, friend of the court brief--meaning it's a legal argument). You can file one too, if you can make a legal argument.

    Replied on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:07pm
  11. Let me guess..”Sin,” “Abomination,” “Against God,” “Going to hell,” “Competition with polygamy, ” “Destroy institution of marriage,” “Man should not lie with man.” Do we really need a statement from them? Who cares what they say. Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion.

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:43pm
  12. As a member i say, they need to stay out of politics. Worry about themselves. The church has no right pushing their agenda on non menbers. Its disappointing to see them act like this. “Love thy neighbor as you love yourself”

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:44pm
  13. Who cares. Churches don’t make the law.

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:44pm
  14. They already did that with Prop 8 in California…

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:44pm
  15. Married 20 times an marry children off to 40 year olds ….yeaaa we all know there goin t hell :)

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:45pm
  16. Utah had to end polygamy as a requirement for becoming a state. If any state has been harmed by the current definition of marriage it would be Utah.

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:45pm
  17. Color no-one surprised.

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:46pm
  18. Isn’t the Mormon Church a non-profit, non-political group? Shouldn’t involving themselves in a political battle in federal court end that distinction? If they’re using donations for political purposes, they need to be taxed.

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:46pm
  19. They gave a huge pile of money to help the Prop. H8 campaign here in Calif.

    Replied on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:47pm
  20. so it’s ok for polygamy but gay marriage is a sin? FUCK THAT BULLSHIT

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:46pm
  21. No religion should have a say in our government! Separation of Church and State! It’s not that difficult to grasp…..

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:46pm
  22. Funny thing is, just about everyone I know who was raised Mormon, is a big queer, in burlesque, or drag.

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:47pm
  23. Any church that speaks out on any governmental issue annoys me…. We’re getting ever closer to just throwing out the separation of church & state…

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:47pm
  24. Gosh, I wonder what they’ll recommend to the court…it’s a mystery.

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:48pm
  25. if the federal government doesn’t “Have the right” to tell states how to deal with marriage then why do we no longer here about a fight against inter-racial marriages? I recall many of these same arguments were made against that. And I don’t see a sudden rush of white folks (which is predominately what Utah is) going out and finding People of color to get married to. I think this is religious paranoia and propoganda at it’s finest.

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:48pm
  26. What about that wonderful separation of church and state. Apparently never meant shit in this religion-stuffed asshole of a state.

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:48pm
  27. I wonder what side they will support……..

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:48pm
  28. As if the Mormon is somehow the end all god? There are 2 types of marriages religious and civil most people choose the civil marriage because of asshole bible cherry picking over zealous ego maniac hate mongers forcing their cultish beliefs down every ones throats! Personally as a gay man I say bullshit! Religious organizations don’t pay taxes they shouldn’t be allowed to tell me who I can or can’t f*ck and who I can or can’t marry! I’ve never had anything to do with them yet they feel the need to get in my bedroom that’s just wrong! It’s none of their damn business! So they can take their thoughts on the matter and shove it up their Lilly white asses I’m marrying who I damn well please if they don’t like it they can burn in that hell they are so fond of! Just sick of this bullshit!

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:48pm
  29. Separation of Church and State!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:49pm
  30. separation of church & state, No one cares what the church has to say when the state has spoken (in this case the feds)….

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:49pm
  31. Now THERE’s a BIG surprise!!

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:52pm
  32. Surprise surprise

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:53pm
  33. They have no right to weigh in on the subject….why are we mixing religion and politics?!

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:53pm
  34. To be honest the government needs to quit their fuckn bulshit far as the church goes if they do things right they may have the right way of running shit far as the mormon church hell no let me re phrase that HELL NOOOO! Being catholic yet the church needs to readdress it self better leaders hay i got a idea listen to this generation instead of the ones who messed shit up … If you gay you gay be you same if your straight you love who the hell you love man needs to quit being god … god created gays to correct thank you end of subject …

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:53pm
  35. What is this the 16th century? Screw the church.

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:53pm
  36. Why is the Church weighing in on anything that doesn’t pertain to their cult. If they “weigh in” the Mormom Church has to have it’s tax exempt status revoked. Fucking stupid ass church!!!!!

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:54pm
  37. Wonder how that’ll go? *rolling eyes*

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:54pm
  38. What happened to separation of church and state? Who cares what the Mormon church has to say? They should testify on the use of alcohol too then bc they oppose that too… When will we actually follow the rules of our goverment?

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:55pm
  39. WTF WHY CAN’T PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE SEPERATION OF THE MOTHAFUCKEN CHURCH AND THE MOTHAFUCKEN STATE??

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:56pm
  40. Yet I wouldn’t go against the catholic church you would be a idiot to just like going against the cia they have a lot more power then most …Money Lots of allies they will make you feel like a fool
    … the strongest religion is catholic and thats how it should be their the ownly ones who help people … remimber that next time you need help with food electricity rent ect….

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:56pm
  41. nothing like a good separation of church and state…blech!

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:57pm
  42. Its none of their business!!

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:58pm
  43. Separation between church and state. They should dismiss any arguments and not even look at one word. What a waste of time!

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 10:58pm
  44. No one gives a shit what they think. Separation of church and state

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:01pm
  45. Am i wrong here but isntthe state and the church seperate entities, n y does the church have a vote in what the govt decides, gawd i dont live in the US

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:01pm
  46. Who cares!

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:02pm
  47. They have every right to weigh in. It’s a very traditional thing called an “Amicus Brief” (ie, “friend of the court” brief) You can file one; I can file one; he*ll, the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster can file one! What will be interesting is whether or not they try to bring up “traditional marriage” as an argument… REALLY? Please, tell me more LDS folks! Especially that “traditional” part, and let’s have you define it! /snicker/.

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:05pm
  48. Why?

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:08pm
  49. Here in Utah there really is no separation between church and state. A great deal of the members of the state government belong to the LDS church. With that being said, it is not likely that these representatives will set aside their personal beliefs for the sake of those that they represent.

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:10pm
  50. Church and state are separate but the churches fear they they will be forced to bless marriages that are outside of their religious definition.

    Think of the Jewish faith and how foods need to be kosher. Now imagine the government jumping in and changing the rules about what is and is not kosher because the government has decided that kosher labeling falls under commerce.

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:11pm
  51. Mormons should stay out of the Government and State. And stop trying to get tell people how to live their lives. You’re not GOD…..

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:11pm
  52. And what do you think their opinion will be?

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:11pm
  53. Tax free status???

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:12pm
  54. Mormon cult and ChristoNazis do NOT get to decide who is human enough for human right s or American enough for constitutional rights.

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:12pm
  55. I don’t think they want the kind of attention they received from the CA Prop8 fight, but we will see.

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:12pm
  56. Bigots need to go away!

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:13pm
  57. Tax all churches!!!

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:13pm
  58. Because everyone in Utah are Mormons? I’m sure there are satanists there too, why don’t they get a platform?

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:13pm
  59. ????? This is not a theocratic country.

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:16pm
  60. If the churches warn to weigh in on politics, let them pay taxes like everyone else.

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:16pm
  61. Keep your religion out of politics, end of story!!!

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:17pm
  62. Gee does this church support Cody and his four wives and I agree church’s should stay out of this and let the LGBtQ people have equal rights and let them get married.

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:18pm
  63. it’s not a church matter so who gives a shit what they think? do you go to the church to get a marriage license? no you go to the court house, it’s a state/federal matter

    Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 at 11:18pm
  64. Never !

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:48am
  65. I do not recognize their authority to issue that statement

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:48am
  66. If that is the case than how come 4 of my friends were sexually & physically abused by their non gay families???

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:49am
  67. I think it’s time we start taxing the churches for their political input

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:49am
  68. Hear, hear!

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:14am
  69. We are the ones who have to make this happen!!! The IRS will not make any moves..we need to start the movement and NOT stop until ALL churches and church leaders are taxed!!!

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:33am
  70. you are right; they can afford it. look at the mansion like churches. my grandmother went to a two roomed church.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:35am
  71. time to start taxing the church strictly on principal

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:55am
  72. Time to end the travesty, boiz!

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 8:57am
  73. i think if a church is going to ask anything of a government they should pay taxes like the rest of us, otherwise, STAY OUT OF IT

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:49am
  74. Please note that not all Mormons feel this way. There are Mormon groups for the equal rights that march in lgbt parades etc.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:49am
  75. Thanks for pointing that out, i feel like even since prop 8 Mormons have been stereotyped

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:54am
  76. That may be true, however,if you are giving money to this hateful group of inbreed bigots, you are in a sense supporting them.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:27am
  77. Doesn't matter, the main organization is a bunch of hateful bigots.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 12:50pm
  78. Wait a second here…. Didn’t they mean… A man and his 5 wives?? We’re talking morons.. Oops I meant Mormons

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:50am
  79. Victor, I agree with you.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:50am
  80. The Mormons can suck shit

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:51am
  81. You’re going down Moron church ideals!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:51am
  82. Churches should stay out of government matters unless they start to pay taxes!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:51am
  83. Separation of church and state…..anyone? Anyone?

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:51am
  84. Thank you.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:52am
  85. Church needs to stfu and pay taxes like everyone else.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:51am
  86. BARF…. tell that to the kid in his 3rd, 6th, 10th, foster home

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:52am
  87. Churches can’t say anything about politics. People in churches can, as long as their political opinion isn’t based on religion.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:52am
  88. Petition the government…..yeah, it’s time they start paying taxes!!! PERIOD!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:52am
  89. In case anyone was interested in reading. Very good to know when the church makes such bigoted, narrow viewed statements that no longer apply in our progressive society.

    http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2004/07/gay-marriage.aspx

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:53am
  90. Right. I don’t recall reading or hearing anything about an adult in a same sex union killing his/ her family then committing suicide. I apologize for the crudeness of this statement if anyone is offended.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:53am
  91. Barf.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:53am
  92. Boo!!! Start paying taxes and maybe you can have a vote on the matter

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:53am
  93. Also Cole multiple wives hasn’t been practiced in the Mormon tradition for quite some time. While there are extremists who twist the religion (like there are in every religion) please don’t generalize or make assumptions that way.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:53am
  94. But how the Mormon Church practices daily is still not LGBT friendly. In order to get baptized I was told I would have to meet with several of the regional higher ups to discuss my sexuality. I was told that I would have to remain celibate and go to counseling about this in the church and was to be assigned a straight male to teach me how to act as a man. Also if I did all of that it was not a guaranteed approval and would be up to certain high ranking members in the ward. So I do agree there is a percentage of Mormons who break from the Covenants and accept LGBT people. For consistency there needs to be a 3rd Manifesto issued on this. The first two confirmed that polygamy would be discontinued in order to follow the law of the land. If Marriage Equality becomes law, then by that logic, the 3rd Manifesto allowing that should be issued. Several of my family members are Mormon and I have had many sessions with the missionaries. It was made very clear where they stand in my area. Also, Mormons do believe in Plural Marriage in the afterlife. Just not in our realm of existence on Earth at the moment.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:06am
  95. Also the FDLS (Fundamentalist Church of the Later Day Saints) still practice polygamy. While they may not be recognized by the Mormon Church, they still consider themselves to be a Mormon religion. As we are in America and have freedom of religion, the FDLS has every right to consider themselves a Mormon religion despite the non recognition of the Official Church. They have their rights to follow their own interpretation of Joseph Smith's legacy as much as they can modified under law.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:10am
  96. What ever happened to the separation between state and church? Our laws shouldn’t be made based on a belief.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:53am
  97. Are they paying taxes? No? ……

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:53am
  98. Sam Douangdara yeah fucking right lol !

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:54am
  99. Church and state need to be separate!!!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:55am
  100. If I remember correctly isn’t it the Mormons that heavily supported Prop 8 in California? Yeah..let’s start taxing them..

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:55am
  101. oh we wish we could

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 5:06am
  102. So what if you did, what difference would that make? You think it would end up in your wallet or what? They'd still do this, taxed or not.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 5:30am
  103. Romney lost the presidency despite owning all the money in the world. We let Catholics (AKA known pedophiles) into this country, why not let the gays adopt kids. They have a cleaner track record. Fuck Santorum. I hope he gets shot by the bullets he campaigned to protect.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:55am
  104. What the hell does the freakish Mormons know about sex and marriage? You don’t get to decide who I marry. I DO! Get over you magic underwearing freaks.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:55am
  105. Evidently cishet couples are best, considering all the queer divorces and cheating we hear about rite? Oh wait.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:55am
  106. Unions between a man and a woman, and a woman, and a woman, and a woman, and a woman…

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:55am
  107. man and man*?

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:26am
  108. rofl!

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:36am
  109. Your Particular Religion has no place in the law!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:56am
  110. So what does a man and multiple wives and children with all of them mean for society???? How about more stress on tax-payers for supporting children they cannot afford? Mormons…so hypocritical…lol.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:56am
  111. The Mormon Church does not support polygamy and has not for 120 years or so. That joke really is tiresome by now. Those 'Mormons' who do so are not recognized by the official Church.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:31pm
  112. Good point Sarah, if you pay no taxes why do you get a say in people’s rights?

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:56am
  113. Mormons can kiss my gay ass!!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:56am
  114. They're named after an angel named Moroni. Why aren't they called "Morons"?

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:11am
  115. "Mormon" actually comes from Mormon, a character in The Book of Mormon.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:57am
  116. Should ask the church is it better for children to have parents (regardless of gender) or no parents

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:57am
  117. #Fail #OnTheWrongSideofHistory #ArgumentsThatDontHoldWater

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:57am
  118. Now that’s a major surprise

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:57am
  119. Outlaw multiple marriage

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:57am
  120. A world without Mormonism is best for children, families and societies.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:57am
  121. A world without mindless asshokez is best for children, fsmily, and societies

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 5:27am
  122. … despite ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE to support that conclusion (and some proponents of that idea selectively quoting statistics that inherently include same-sex couples).

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:57am
  123. Separation of church and state.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:58am
  124. Considering more than 50% of what they call “best for children” ends up in divorce court, I doubt we should be listening to these people for moral direction.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:59am
  125. Karma is awesome … prop 8

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:59am
  126. “Unions between a man and woman are best for children, families and society.” It’s all so nebulous and comes with no guarantee. Which gay couple vs which straight couple? The assertion depends on all straight people being ideal parents, which we know is just not a fact. Drunks, drug addicts, the neglectful and the ignorant are all capable of bearing children, but raising them? Nope, not comparable.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:59am
  127. Well put!

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:14am
  128. I would rather have been raised by rabid wolverines than my family, so shove your vapid knitted-sampler sentiments, opium users. :)

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:33pm
  129. Says who? Not me!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:59am
  130. The Mormon church like so many “Religions” practice ignorance…..its the only way they know……They have been misrepresenting the Divine for millennia….RELIGIONS DO NOT OWN God…….the proof is in front of their faces…..but living in fantasy and myths help them feel like they are in control somehow……Let us use the intelligence God has given us all, PLEASE :-)

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:01am
  131. I just hope same gender marriages, and separation of church and state starts happening. Being from Utah it gets annoying how blind people around me can be, I don’t think that even a majority of the states people support the ban anymore, it’s time for change. Religion shouldn’t determine our laws, it’s in our constitution

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:01am
  132. Bull

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:01am
  133. As far as I am concerned churches do not have any rights outside of their religion period! Meaning they can dictate what people who belong to their church can do, but that is it! Down with religion if churches want to control public rights!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:01am
  134. I don't think they can even do that. They can suggest, but not dictate. When the Church Eczemal and Unthinking can declare that basically the will of the vast majority of its members is wrong, there is some deep mental illness at work.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:32pm
  135. Tax the church

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:02am
  136. Mormons.. The people who believe that a man received special seer stones and blank golden plates from an angel and that only he can “read” the plates, but when the transcription was lost, he suddenly lost his ability to read the plates (in case the transcription was not really lost, because someone would then see the stories don’t match). The Mormons know this story and still believe it. What’s the definition of stupid, again?

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:02am
  137. My fiance & i have 4 kids between tha 2 of us! i have 3 from my previous marriage which was an abusive relationship && my girl friend has 1 from her previous relationship! We are a very close,loving,healthy, family with 2 MOMS!! So, with that being said dont judge our family!! It aint nuttin to any of these ppl wanting bans on gay marriage!! Find somthing more important to ban! GET A LIFE!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:02am
  138. Fuck the LDS church they refuse to quit preaching politics Then I say we take away there tax exempt status

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:03am
  139. Religion:Bible

    SEPARATION

    State: Constitution

    =equality for ALL US citizens, yes, even in Utah!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:03am
  140. These people are not qualified to make such statements. Furthermore, these people, and all those like them, are up in arms believing that we want to “redefine” a secular institution. Nonsense! We do not want to do away with traditional marriage! We want inclusivity, not exclusivity. So all their arguments, to the very last one, are invalid.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:04am
  141. SEPARATION of Church and STATE. Keep your damn religion out of it

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:05am
  142. This is a church that till 1979 didn’t consider black men worthy of their priesthood despite being Cis males so… yea

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:05am
  143. Mormon’s ?? Ok, I won’t comment, but whatevah… Wow, just Wow..

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:06am
  144. It’s almost like I should say to the LDS: “Why bother responding if we can recite all your BS off the top of our heads?”

    Seriously, I can rebut that argument with one question: Where in any state or federal law does is the prospect of procreating or raising children mentioned as a prerequisite for getting a marriage license?

    Now quit wasting money on things that don’t affect your lives and start giving that money to the less fortunate, as you CLAIM that your religion tells you to do!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:06am
  145. Also, please rethink the whole ‘tax the church’ stance. It is Separation made tangible. It is a legitimate tool to use in courtrooms against church intrusion. It’s a help, not a hindrance. Destroy it and they’ll be able to say “WE PAY TAXES TOO!”. Do you want that? Even though churches try to and sometimes succeed in violating the Separation clause, think of what they’ll attempt and accomplish if we take it away. It will work in their favor. We won’t be able to use it in legal challenges. What we need to so is push for more strict laws to enforce Separation, not push for dismantling it.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:06am
  146. Churches which own property do NOT pay property taxes and yet they get government services if there is an emergency on church property. Jesus was not against paying taxes. There is no proof in the New Testament that churches should be tax exempt.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 4:40am
  147. I'm an atheist: I don't give a fuck what the spawn of the space elf did or did not say, and anyway Jesus didn't write the Constitution so what's your point? I still say the elimination of Separation is a mistake: rather, make the church pay for those services you mention per use. Enforce it, don't take it away because no one enforces it.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 5:29am
  148. All these churches can just go back to medieval France.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:06am
  149. If that’s what you believe,believe it and shut the Fuck up already.Trying to involve yourself in the personal lives of people you have nothing to do with and who’s house you’ll never set foot in and people who don’t need your dam approval using religion as a gateway to worm your way into the lives of OTHERS, stop dictating to others how they should live they’re lives like your opinions matter.That is all

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:07am
  150. What about “straight” couples that can’t have children?!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:07am
  151. These issues were already litigated in the federal district court case in California that found Prop 8 unconstitutional. These heterosexist arguments against same sex marriage have no data to back them up.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:07am
  152. Separation of church and state. End of argument, go preach in your churches, not to the government.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:08am
  153. For everyone spewing hate towards Mormons

    http://www.mormonsformarriageequality.org

    There are Mormons that stand for equal rights. Making generalizations/hateful/ignorant comments they way a lot of you are is just as bad as people who make those same judgments/comments about the LGBT community.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:08am
  154. Ahhh, I’m completely surprised by this cults public stance. None-the-less, sounds completely legit…Riiiight

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:09am
  155. Not according to the American Academy of Pediatrics. Who do these folks think they’re kidding?

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:09am
  156. Morons…

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:09am
  157. Tax the fuck out of these space-wasting dumps!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:10am
  158. Why in the world isn’t their brief being tossed out of court??? The church- term used VERY loosely- being involved at all is a violation of of federal constitution.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:11am
  159. This is one of those moments when I’m glad I left the Mormon church.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:11am
  160. Smart move!

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:27am
  161. its hilarious they say that considering over 50% of straight marriages end in divorce! most child abusers are straight. and most children in therapy are from straight parents. yeah, sounds like they know what they are doing….. roll the eyes!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:11am
  162. Grant Baldwin I just messaged you :)

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:12am
  163. Just saw your post and found your message in the other mail box. Sent one your way too. :)

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 4:03am
  164. So they must ban the divorce as well..!!..and prevent single parents from raising children…bigots

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:12am
  165. I say that who someone marries is NO goddamn business of ANY religious establishment, as long as it is ONE partner at a time, and concenting adults, ONLY! Those dirty old perverts need to leave teenage girls ALONE, they end up being sex slaves to the man, and actual slaves to the older wives!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:12am
  166. Fucking Church of Hate!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:13am
  167. Ignorant.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:14am
  168. That has been scientifically proven to be Untrue!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:16am
  169. Yes we need more reproduction from straight parents to “better” society. We’re not over populated at all!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:17am
  170. like we wanna know about these dysfunctional pervs with multiple sister wives and one ignorant patriarch. the church isn't known for being educated and thinking.

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:34am
  171. Do they think that, if they say this enough, it will become true? Loving parents are good for children, families, and society. The gender doesn’t matter.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:17am
  172. Liars!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:18am
  173. Aren’t Mormons polygamists?

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:18am
  174. The filthy bigot LDS Church stopped discriminating against black men when President Carter told them that if they didn’t stop discriminating, they were going to lose their tax exemption.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:19am
  175. Start a LGBT church I say. Tax exempt and the government must take it seriously. They take the Mormons seriously. The game is afoot. And the name of the game is religion. Use the bible to support it. Start with David and Joseph.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:19am
  176. explain all the fucking divorce and foster kids then if hetero marriage is any better, fuck you UT i hate living here.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:20am
  177. C

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:21am
  178. I ‘ve never raped a priest -yet

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:21am
  179. Same shit, different day. Keep your religious bullshit out of our society.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:22am
  180. Why should religion have a say in marriage? Makes no sense.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:22am
  181. If Church’s want a voice in politics maybe they need to start paying taxes… If not, shut up!!! “Separation of Church and State”… Your opinion is not needed

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:23am
  182. Stop tall people from marrying. Tallness is an unhealthy lifestyle choice. Not letting LGBT marry is irrational, and as a religious “Shortist” I want my nuttiness enshrined in state law instead of Mormon nuttiness. I think we have a federal case as well. Oh sure, Mormons have magic underwear, we have magic socks, ties and gloves. Checkmate, anti-gay, tallies sympathizing Mormons.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:25am
  183. What ta fuck ever happened to separation of Cult and State????

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:26am
  184. I can’t have one wife while they have many

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:27am
  185. Give it up already….sheesh

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:28am
  186. The Mormon cult should have there tax exempt status taken away right now!!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:28am
  187. I respect their opinion, however my union, in regards to the federal government and the applicable benefits, rights and responsibilities, should have nothing to do with any religion. If a church such as The United Church of Christ, would like to officiate my marriage to a man then I am fine. I support antidistablishmentarianism to the fullest extent.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:30am
  188. When will the religious fanatics of the US read the First Amendment?

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:30am
  189. Yeah their dumb

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:32am
  190. Tell that to all the abused, abandoned, and neglected children!!!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:32am
  191. Outlaw divorce and make adultery punishable by death, just like in the bible. So much better for the children.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:32am
  192. I can say children of Mormons are far from well adjusted. There are too many in each family, therefore some don’t get proper attention. My gay and lesbian friends have beautiful, happy, well adjusted children. Well educated and given the attention they need. The f’n church needs to get out of politics or start paying taxes.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:32am
  193. Says who? Church and state need to always be separate and ALL churches should also pay taxes since they want to be involved in politics Price to pay to play

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:33am
  194. So much for The Acceptance Project in which they are participating.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:33am
  195. If people would research this “religion”, they wouldn’t have a say in anything.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:33am
  196. Steve I’m not Mormon nor do I give them money. I do however believe that the fact that there are gays Mormons and Mormons for equality need to be taken into consideration. People would rather make rude/ignorant and downright hateful comments and generalize a group not realizing there are lgbt members of that belief.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:33am
  197. Church should stay out of politics.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:35am
  198. What does Mormon have to do with someone’s relationship. Piss on the temple.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:37am
  199. Traditional marriage would be making your daughter a part of a business deal and marrying your first cousin. Truly… Waaaay old school traditional.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:38am
  200. Really? So it’s ok to watch your mom and dad beat the crap out of each other? Or your mom spreading her legs for anyone or your father doing drugs? These types of people deserve kids? But when you have 2 people who love each other and can adopt and take care of them is wrong? You all understand what I am saying. I am so sick of closed minded pieces of crap.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:42am
  201. Uh huh, as long as they can molest the little boys in the restroom….wonder why I bring this up Mormon church???

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:42am
  202. I think they should concentrate on renegade Mormons that have 15 wives and and 60 children.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:44am
  203. You mean, “Unions between a man and a woman and woman and a woman…etc

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:45am
  204. Even if we accept the “Ideal family” as one mother, one father, and one child. Keep in mind that this “Nuclear Family” was a short lived experiment of the 1950s, and was a dismal failure, leading to record high divorce rates, drug addiction, alcoholism, psychological and psychiatric disorders, and dysfunctional families.

    This is the model the Churches want to defend.

    Are two same sex parents better than single parent families?
    I believe that they are!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:45am
  205. ANNNNND… No.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:46am
  206. Well fine then! We are glad to do that if we can immediately start taxing ALL religious institutions! Since they are insistentent on being directly involved in our FEDERAL and STATE GOVERNMENTS and the laws they make, even though we have Separation of Church and State enshrined into the U.S. Constitution, then they will have no choice but to agree to paying their fair share of the Tax Burden; and these religious organizations should pay the highest tax rates possible! We would pay down the National Debt in no time at all if we actually pressed this point! If these religious organizations do not believe we should enforce the Constitutional Rule of Separation of Church and State, then PAY UP!!!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:46am
  207. Are they going to tell their member they will get blessings if they donate?

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:50am
  208. If Marriage is only to be, between “One Man and One Woman, then let us add the following addendum… “Marriage is between One Man and One Woman, FOR LIFE! NO DIVORCE! NO EXCEPTIONS!” Otherwise, if they were allowed to Divorce, then they must immediately REPAY, WITH INTEREST, all of the Tax Breaks they have received from our FEDERAL and STATE GOVERNMENTS since the very first day they said, “I Do!!!”

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:50am
  209. how about men and women having children out of wedlock by accident that they don’t want and give up for adoption, or abandon, or kill, raise in an abusive home or make suffer through bitter divorces where one parent pits one against the other. No child in the custody of a set of homosexual parents have ever had to worry about not being loved or cared for, for no gay/lesbian has ever had a child they didn’t want. Just because we are LGBT doesn’t mean we aren’t as good as or even better parents than a heterosexual couple. And LGBTI couples in committed relationships tend to divorce (split-up) less than straight couples in today’s generation, which can not be compared to the generation pre baby boomers where you people all like to go with your distorted facts (based on religion).

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:54am
  210. *A* man and *a* woman!?

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 4:00am
  211. REALLY??? BE REALISTIC YOU FOOLS … mormons believe no sex but but fucking the ass is ok.. Straighten out your shit!!!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 4:01am
  212. What did you just say? :-/

    Replied on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 5:32am
  213. All about multiplying their own membership and 10%

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 4:02am
  214. IF MAN AND WOMAN IS BEST WHY OVERWHELMING DIVORCE RATE?? Children being adopted by gay parents to fulfill what straight people do?? Come on!! So YOU FOOLS ARE SAYING IT IS BETTER FOR MAN AND WOMAN TO HAVE CHILDREN WITH ANOTHER FAMILY THAN HAVING GAY PARENTS WHO ARE FAITHFUL?? WHAT BRAINS YOU GOT PEOPLE!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 4:05am
  215. So maybe they are the best, but does that mean some children still don’t need parents even if they are the same sex?

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 4:11am
  216. Assholes

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 4:20am
  217. Happily, your religious opinion in this matter doesn’t mean shit. KEEP YOUR RELIGION OUT OF MY GOVERNMENT!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 4:24am
  218. Im married and in the USA. So suck my Schwety Balls.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 4:25am
  219. Unions between two people who love and respect each other, a couple that wants their baby so badly that they go out of their way to make it possible.. THAT’S what’s best for children, families and definitely society. Society could use a lot more respect and love and a lot less ignorance.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 4:29am
  220. Yes right except for when you’re gay, have gay parents, or want to live in a society that allows true freedom and justice. Then all union, every union is best.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 4:30am
  221. People have to remember that Utah is a Theocracy, there is no separation between church and state here! What the religion wants, the state does. But, this will soon be their downfall along with the other states with marriage bans!!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 4:34am
  222. Yes, let’s legalize discrimination…..what the idiots don’t realize is if you can do it to one group of people, you set a precedent to do it to other groups of people.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 4:38am
  223. Poor, stupid, godless bigots.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 4:47am
  224. best for who????

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 4:52am
  225. :-P

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 4:56am
  226. Of course they do….as the division between church and state erodes further and further.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 5:01am
  227. Ugh! So sick of hearing this.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 5:04am
  228. hey look Utah made the news again, for being ignorant jackasses, again! so bloody proud of my illiterate state!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 5:05am
  229. Mormon heterosexual matrimony are all mostly phonies…a lot of shit goes amongst these people, incest, adultery, pedophilia, Etc. I should know cause I grew up in the Mormon community in Salt Lake City.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 5:14am
  230. If church’s want a say in our laws, let them
    pay taxes to help support the society in general, rather than try to force their single minded ways on everyone.
    Anyone is free to practice whatever religion they want, don’t try to force your rules on everyone else.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 5:14am
  231. Welp. I know where Im gonna marry and come out :P

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 5:26am
  232. ok ppl SHUT UP. My relatives ARE mormons amd I came from OAK and if its THEIR belief then DONT force them to like or support you. Not every Mormon is what you say. Since when are we to judge people? God, I thought you guys, fighting to stay alive and to be heard as humans with the same emotions are BETTER than THIS. Ugh. Right now, you, yes YOU are turning ME i to.a homophob because of your judgemental.arrogance

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 5:30am
  233. Tax the frekin’ church already dammit!! They have obviously and blatantly overstepped their political boundaries long ago. Totally unacceptable for the US government to continue ignoring this.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 5:35am
  234. Non interference from Religous institutions are best for children, families and society

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 5:48am
  235. Separation of church and state. No, then tax these mofos.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 5:50am
  236. Well if they believe it then have their flock abide BUT don’t make be follow your religious view because u don’t share them

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 5:58am
  237. TELL THE CHURCH PEOPLE TO SETTLE THEIR ISSUES WITH SEXUAL MOLESTATIONS .. Before they deal with people that wants to marry because of love … HOW ABOUT THAT HOLY ONES??!!!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 6:23am
  238. This is why I am no longer a member.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 6:27am
  239. two words mormon church: prove it!!!!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 6:54am
  240. Actually shouldn’t it read : … between a man and a woman, and another woman, and a another woman, and another woman ….

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 7:05am
  241. What I can’t figure out is why they keep fighting something that is sooo easy to get around? A gay man can marry a gay woman and then just go about their business and still get all the “married” benefits. Making a law “banning” gay marriage is a waste of time and money and taking up entirely too much time when there are more pressing issues right now. I’m not trying to marginalize the situation and I agree everyone should have equal rights, but can we move on, please.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 7:46am
  242. These are the “Christian Churches” that completely missed the entire point of Christ’s Ministery.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 7:54am
  243. thieves pay your taxes

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 7:59am
  244. Evil shit religion!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 8:04am
  245. Booooo.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 8:17am
  246. Did you see that Thomas S. Monson, the current President of the church, is being charged with 7 counts of criminal fraud in the UK? This is only the beginning. ExMormon in the know here and freakishly excited that the church is under this particular fire. I know all about Prop. 8 too. More to come in the fraud case. Pay attention if you want to see the Mormon Church pay for it’s abuses. :)

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 8:37am
  247. Wait wait a man and a woman. As in singular not plural? :P

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 8:56am
  248. Unions between people who love each other are best for children!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 9:02am
  249. “Unions between a man and several women are best for children, families and society. But, for the sake of staying out of the spotlight, we’re gonna pretend we wouldn’t practice polygamy if it weren’t frowned upon by that same society.”

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 9:33am
  250. How blissfully naive. When I lived in Salt Lake City, the news was broadcast on TV and there were two daily newspapers so I know Mormon people must be aware that male/female parents are NOT always so perfect.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 9:41am
  251. Two loving parents are best for children, regardless of the sex of the parents!!!! All children should be loved! The gender identity of their parents does not and should not matter!!!! If you don’t like gay people, stop having kids. There is at least a one in ten chance that child will be LBGT.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 9:53am
  252. Fuck you, Mormon church! Seriously. I’d hate to break it to you and rest of our this society to claim to speak for, but kids with straight parents are just as likely to be screwed up as children with gay parents. How do I know this? Because both my parents were straight. They ended up divorcing, and my sister and I were left quite scarred from that experience. You’re basing the functions of a healthy family on the sexual orientation of the parents rather than an individual parent’s ability to… well, parent! What difference does it make who they’re sexually attracted to so long as they’re able to raise a child in a healthy environment? And what kind of message do you think this is sending to families with same-sex parents? “Sorry kids, but the Morman church says our family isn’t best for you, or our family, or the shitty society we live in. Looks like you’re gonna be fucked up no matter what happens! Good luck with that!” Again, fuck you and your plural marriages! <—Google it!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 10:07am
  253. Tax those damned churches. It’s long past due. Christians either sit down and shut up or they pay for trying to influence secular, civil law that discriminates against the full civil equality of American citizens.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 10:33am
  254. It’s all so sad that they have no faith in God like he needs they’re help with anything but they need to stay out of politics

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 11:00am
  255. And again I must ask why a not for profit church is inserting itself in politics????

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 11:11am
  256. I work with kids and the messed up ones come from striaght homes?????? All messed up people I know were raised by striaght parents.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 12:21pm
  257. Annette!!!! YES YES YES! I ask the same thing. Religion has NO PLACE IN POLITICS…

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 12:41pm
  258. My parents were not good for me. It’s love we need not a man and a woman that’s all they are sometimes a man and woman that doesn’t mean love

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 12:42pm
  259. i think marriage between man and women is correct in most aspects….if you been married before had children…u must like opposite sex…two moms two dads….whats up people…just not correct…however it happens has been going on over 40yrs or so…im not amazed as far as the God or a church view in the bible abomination…and cant enter gates of heaven…so you r going to hell…as it is written…..ur choice im just reporting u decide cuz ur going to anyways…hell or heaven..your choice…..just think…gay marriage not correct…or would been no reason man and woman

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 12:45pm
  260. NO, you may NOT use your screwed up religious beliefs to morally judge and discriminate against others! You don’t have the right to impose your religion on others and force them to be judged or punished according to your personal beliefs! Your fucked up slant on Christianity is nothing more than standing on the Bible to justify your hatred and bigotry!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 12:48pm
  261. Wayne Owen: You’re a homophobic bigot. Christ’s most important rules are for humans to love, accept, forgive, heal, feed, uplift, and help one another. The greatest law is Love! Why do you use God’s book to break his greatest admonition to His followers? Jesus forgave a prostitute when others were ready to judge and stone her. Jesus said, “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”. “Judge not, lest ye too will be so judged”. It’s not your place to point fingers and call anyone a sinner or tell anyone what is right or wrong for them, especially since you should be concerned with your own sins and personal affairs. Love is never a sin, and the LGBT community will win marriage equality in this country because it’s the right, just thing to do. It is discrimination to categorically decline an entire group of people equal access to the same rights & benefits granted to same-sex couples.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 1:02pm
  262. You would think after the Mormon church’s land claim shrunk from a large area on the west coast to what we know now as Utah that they would get the hint. We can make Utah smaller if you like, Mormons.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 1:02pm
  263. Why do the most popular polygamist pedophile douches need to preach morality??

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 1:08pm
  264. Shouldn’t the title read: Mormon church, religious groups ask federal court to uphold discrimination in Utah and Oklahoma? I mean, that’s what it’s all about!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 1:09pm
  265. Religious hate!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 1:33pm
  266. Seperation of Church & State

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 1:35pm
  267. tell them to keep there nose’s out of our business,, and go back to there own husbands with multi-wife’s

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 1:42pm
  268. Morons are just sad people.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 1:56pm
  269. Sorry preachers the end of your bigotry is very near.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 1:59pm
  270. Because religion has always know what’s best for society. Not!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:02pm
  271. I am personally agains this religion, they go against my beliefs, therefore they should be outlawed.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:05pm
  272. My best friend and her family are Mormons and they accept me for who I am (Most of them anyways) so not all Mormons believe the same way.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:11pm
  273. …and Cute Mormon missionaries are best naked and served with Apple pie and ice cream!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:21pm
  274. You know, most of us learn by about Grade One that we don’t get to decide what’s best for other people in their own lives. Perhaps all that opium consumption has warped their minds.

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:29pm
  275. Lol

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:51pm
  276. and religious bigotry is good for who?

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 2:54pm
  277. There opinions should not matter! It is seperation of church and state. If it is taken into consideration they have a lot of back taxes to pay cause I am not using my taxes to pay them for this crap!!!!!

    Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 3:01pm