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Ind. House committee to consider proposed gay marriage ban on Monday

Sunday, January 12, 2014

INDIANAPOLIS — Indiana’s legislative leaders are trying a different approach in again proposing a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage.

House Speaker Brian Bosma (R-Indianapolis), announced last week that lawmakers would consider the proposed amendment, unchanged from what the General Assembly first passed in 2011. If approved a second time, it would go to a public vote in November. But it first must clear the House Judiciary Committee, which is scheduled to take up the issue Monday morning.

Indiana Statehouse in Indianapolis

Indiana Statehouse in Indianapolis

Senate President Pro Tem David Long (R-Fort Wayne), delayed his involvement when he announced the House would have to take up the issue first. (The success of the amendment in the Indiana House is hardly guaranteed.) So, Bosma made the first move, but instead of simply submitting the amendment, he added that lawmakers would look at a companion bill clarifying the meaning of the second sentence in the amendment.

The first sentence of the proposal limits marriage to being between one man and one woman. But the second sentence — expanding that ban to anything similar to marriage, most likely meant to address civil unions — has roiled many lawmakers, including some who voted for the amendment in 2011.

“I think it’s very advisable to have an expression of legislative intent that accompanies HJR 3 (the proposed amendment),” Bosma said last week. “There are valid questions raised about the second sentence of the amendment.

“It seemed to make a lot of sense to address the issues, but still make it quite clear that civil unions are not allowed — which is the substantially similar or identical language to marriage — and define it as a man and a woman, but remove these concerns people validly are raising in most cases.”

A sort of parlor game developed in Indiana political circles to see how Bosma would handle the dilemma. Would he push the amendment as worded in 2011? Would he propose a more limited ban? Or would he ditch the fight altogether?

Bosma and House Republicans face incredible pressure from social and religious conservatives pushing the expansive ban. The team has also felt heat from business interests and moderate Republicans, who are worried the amendment could create a bad image for the state amid shifting national attitudes.

In the Old Testament account of Solomon, two women came before the king with one baby, both claiming it was theirs. With no clear way to discern who the mother was, Solomon proposed physically cutting the baby in half so he could ascertain from their reactions who was the true mother.

When Bosma unveiled his marriage plan last week, reactions from supporters and opponents gave a pretty clear indication who won.

Curt Smith, president of the conservative Indiana Family Institute, proclaimed the pairing a good move.

“We applaud the introduction of HJR 3 and its companion bill, HB 1153, before the Indiana General Assembly,” Smith said in a statement. “Both the proposed resolution and the companion bill make a valuable contribution to promoting a marriage culture in Indiana. And as we all know, children benefit the most from a culture of marriage. Kids need both a mom and a dad.”

But Freedom Indiana, a coalition that advocates against the measure and represents some of the state’s largest businesses and universities, blasted the tactic.

“Unfortunately, instead of addressing the amendment’s defects through proper channels, they’re trying to sidestep and obfuscate the process by introducing a bill they think explains away the potential harm to Hoosier families,” Freedom Indiana campaign manager Megan Robertson said in a statement.

Monday will be the first test of whether Bosma’s intended audience — the members of his own legislative caucus — believe the companion bill was a good idea.

The House Judiciary Committee is scheduled to hear a few hours of testimony on the proposed ban and then vote on the proposed amendment and legislation.

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  1. The hatred of the religious right is almost unbelievable!! They certainly have no comprehension of what they preach. Why waste time you dumbass people? The SCOTUS is going to make marriage equality the law of the land with our without your support.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:21am
  2. These hateful bigots would still sell blacks on the street, prevent Muslims from having mosques, prevent atheists from holding office and prohibit inter-racial marriage. So backward, so hateful.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:22am
  3. Indiana is the worst state for bigotry and taking rights away. I wish I had the money to move out of this state.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:22am
  4. Bull crap

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:22am
  5. And they will probably pull it off too. There are almost no eligible women in this state because so many move every chance they get from being dragged down by nothing but hill jacks for total fucking rednecks for local culture and in politics making all of our decisions for us.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:22am
  6. Idiots

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:23am
  7. Did that girl just say anal sex is sexual abuse? Lmao. Ain’t getting any are ya Trish.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:24am
  8. their law makers want to be voted out by the younger generation

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:25am
  9. Let them find out when everyone who isnt a shit kicker for a redneck leaves the state to find love and have more than a life partner how they are only stuck with people left who are united in all of their backwards beliefs for culture. Then all of those people once unanimous will turn on one another about what they are doing wrong in their desperate attempts to turn Indiana into The Fucking South!

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:25am
  10. IDIOTS…again…

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:25am
  11. I dont know if i agree its a problem to limit muslim schools from getting govt funding and banning mosques…do you know what muslims say about homosexuality under Sharia Law? Furthermore i know of at least three mosques in Indianapolis alone, my cousin who gave up her rights in her own marriage frequents them regularly.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:28am
  12. I say if these hate filled States started losing the people and businesses that support this they would realize how many people and businesses are in favor and feel the hurt of not having them in the states.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:28am
  13. I believe we will get there soon and it will be legal nation wide.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:29am
  14. Do any of you agree that we should all stage a protest wearing nothing but leaves for costumes since leviticus says anyone who wears woven fabric instead of leaves for clothing is sinning!? Lets make a statement about the one book in the bible they always cling to making it so they feel their homophobia is just and let the media get wind of it through photos during the march. Whose with me?

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:30am
  15. Um, it's cold out.

    Replied on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:53am
  16. Not here in L.A. I'd do it.

    Replied on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 2:45am
  17. In spirit I’m with you, sadly I’m in another bigoted state. Georgia.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:32am
  18. Or i suppose in the state house they also agree with the biblical story of the brother who pimped out his own sister to a sex crime because when looking for shelter for the night the man who opened the door wanted him instead. I always point that out to biblical homophobes as well. Sex crimes Yay! Consentual love for same sex NO!

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:33am
  19. Let’s propose a ban on legislative committees!!!!

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:35am
  20. The more religious lesbian women never got along with me, as you can tell. This will be turned over eventually or it will cost all of them the election.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:35am
  21. Do so at your own prejudiced peril. Equality is in the near future.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:39am
  22. Boo

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:40am
  23. My Bible is in the trash.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:42am
  24. theyll probably think of masterbation is rape next.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 12:51am
  25. I’m going to the rally tomorrow and supporting love for all!

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 1:00am
  26. I know its cold out…thats why it would guaranteeably hit the press as the biggest joke on leviticus believers that had ever made it to an associated press story. This would be even better than a rainbow flag with an upside down cross on it for GLBTQ jewelry.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 1:05am
  27. Maybe if we all started cracking jokes that we were all servants of a hell that didnt exist in the interviews we would even make it to headlines one day.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 1:06am
  28. I know i want nothing to do with most of the men in this state….all homophobes. Lets get someone or even many in our community to run for office. Many woudnt be opposed…i assure you of that. There are just as many people in this state who are miserable from the voting record of everyone in there now as there ever have been.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 1:09am
  29. i feeling digusting to this states, they are in IV Century

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 1:17am
  30. Nooooooo, not again *table flip* this state is so screwed

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 1:29am
  31. Shaking my head at my home state. Come on Indiana. Get it together.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 1:32am
  32. The gender of parents is irrelevant to raising kids.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 2:04am
  33. i hope it fails

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 2:10am
  34. Wanna be on the losing end of history go for it!

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 2:15am
  35. The best is about to happens guys …. Just wait like we did in NY / NJ

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 2:23am
  36. I have a Dream!

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 2:43am
  37. Here’s the solution to all who don’t like a same sex marriage. Don’t get one! Problem solved. Now move onto something that is really important like a Veterans Job Bill, the rebuilding of our countries roads, bridges, power grids, health care living wages for all etc.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 2:45am
  38. Mistake. Wrong now wrong forever.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 2:54am
  39. These people in this and other states that want to ban gay marriages they probably have the bible shove so far in their faces that they don’t realize what is real and what isn’t .well love is real and these people need to see that it does matter who you are everyone deserves equal rights and they should have them. I’m thinking they might be afraid of their own shadows

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 2:59am
  40. I wonder how straight people would feel if the world proposed banning legal recognition of marriage as a whole…

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 3:29am
  41. At least it is making it easy for us gays to figure out what retarded states to stay away from. Maybe we should start funds it relocated LGBT people from those states so they can apply for political asylum in say CA, or mine of the 16 other states of equality.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 3:29am
  42. NOPE.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 4:04am
  43. Ban Indiana from the nation.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 5:10am
  44. This is just going to waste more state money when people finally bring up their lawsuit and Indiana loses, so why don’t they do the smart thing and drop all this ban crap?

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 5:12am
  45. Brian Bosma agrees with Hitler

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 6:16am
  46. This is so sad!! 1st the church denounces sex out of wedlock, now they limit who can get married! Started with you couldn’t marry outside of your religion, then race, it’s down to limiting what 2 consenting, in love adults can do!! When will “the church” learn! People are trying to do the right thing by getting married vs “shacking up” and they still are wrong in the eyes of “the church”. So much for love thy neighbor…

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 6:47am
  47. You’re wasting all this time on persecuting people over this. How bout thinking about running your governments finances, foreign affairs , reforming welfare and the thousand other things that are out there

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 7:10am
  48. This is insane

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 8:09am
  49. Hoosiers do me proud! From 15 to 27 you never shamed or hurt me. I know you have the potential to embrace and love. Just do it!

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 9:22am
  50. I am so ashamed of my state.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 11:24am
  51. ASSHOLES!

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 1:00pm
  52. I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Thanks to the Good Mormons in Utah its likely that fight will go to the Supremes. Gay marriage bans are a clear constitutional violation. They are eerily similar to the bans against interracial marriage which violated the equal protection clause and full faith and credit cause. While scalia and Thomas are scary, Roberts turns out to be cognizant of history and the rule of his namesake court. His adherence to jurisprudence will win out over his ideology and Utah will lose 6-3. That decision will invalidate EVERY state ban, having the immediate effect of national marriage equality, finally.

    I only wish the state of California had argued for prop 8 they had the legal standing. This could have been over last summer.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 2:26pm
  53. Another state I will ban on my list of possible vacations and will strongly urge educated people to do the same.

    Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 at 3:30pm