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Ind. bishops: God is author of marriage, not within State’s power to redefine

Friday, December 13, 2013

INDIANAPOLIS — Indiana’s six Catholic bishops have issued a pastoral letter in response to a proposed constitutional ban on same-sex marriage, asserting that the well-being of children, the family, and society are at stake.

Archbishop Joseph W. Tobin

Archbishop Joseph W. Tobin

The letter says the church upholds the dignity and sanctity of marriage, an institution established by God as a permanent partnership between one man and one woman.

It is not within the power of either the Church or the State to redefine marriage since God is its author. Male-female complementarity is essential to marriage. Marriage is a “unique” communion of persons with the potential to bring forth human life.

With deep respect for all our brothers and sisters, we affirm the institution of marriage as the intimate communion of life and love between one man and one woman. Marriage is an intimate sharing of conjugal life and love. It involves the total gift of self in a partnership for the whole of life. Only by means of the complementarity between a man and a woman can this total gift of self be fully given and received.

We respect the equal dignity of all persons while upholding the uniqueness of the covenant of marriage as established by our Creator. The well-being of children, of the family, and of society is closely bound to the healthy state of marriage and respect for its true nature and purposes.

We urge the people of Indiana to respect and defend the dignity and equality of all persons as well as the truth about marriage, according to God’s plan and laws, with charity toward all.

Indianapolis Archbishop Joseph Tobin says the letter will help Catholics avoid the extremes of either seeing the public debate about the proposed amendment as a battle or as an issue in which they should simply be guided by polls.

The state already bans same-sex marriage by law, but lawmakers began the lengthy process of placing the ban in the constitution in 2011.

If lawmakers sign off a second time on the strengthened ban, it would be placed on the ballot for voters to consider next November.

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  1. Douche.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:38pm
  2. Thank God for church and state

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:39pm
  3. Is God the author of child molestation too?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:39pm
  4. by their logic, he sure is.

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:52pm
  5. Owrly

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:39pm
  6. God has nothing to do with a legal contract between two people.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:39pm
  7. It amazes me that these evangelical, catholic, reactionary asswipes haven't understood that we are talking about CIVIL marriage, not religious marriage.

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:30pm
  8. If they take the time to really read the Bible they'll see that marriage has already been redefined over the years.......I don't see anyone making a woman marry her rapist or being stoned for not being a virgin.

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:35pm
  9. yep...any good divorce attny can tell you that.

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 10:58pm
  10. Ironic since the most commonly used non-religious argument is that marriage in for breeding and rearing children for the good of the society they dwell within. Therefore, is it not simply a breeding contract? Why then are any benefits not associated with the breeding of more herdstock associated with the contract? Why are there survivor benefits, tax breaks, etc etc if it's just to spit out more offspring for the herd?

    Replied on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 12:19am
  11. I am an Athiest & I do not Subcribe to the imaginary bullshit of these “bishops”! They can shove their fictional bibles somewhere alright!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:39pm
  12. bet he tought the same way for interracial marriage

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:40pm
  13. Someone needs to remind them of the separation of church and state. The federal government needs to start taxing these fuckers!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:40pm
  14. What the federal government should do is round up every nun, priest, bishop and cardinal and charge them as Agents of a Foreign Nation (Holy See) with treason against the American people. Then rendition them to the Hague for Crimes Against Humanity while stripping them of American citizenship.

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:45pm
  15. I am for that

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:50pm
  16. What? Sounds like you want to treat religious people like criminals just because of their faith.

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:05pm
  17. No, because they promote the overthrow of our civil government in favor of a theocracy. Doesn't have to do with their specific faith, just the fact that they want to force it on everyone else.

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:31pm
  18. But they ARE criminals, Blanche...they ARE!

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:35pm
  19. in a way he is right though. Which means under the separation ofchurch and state, the state should not recognize any religious based marriages. Make them all get a remarried by a JOP. religions can get married all they like but they no longer constitute a legal marriage recognized by the state. which means more license fees, cost to hire a JOP, etc.

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:36pm
  20. I'm for this!

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:27pm
  21. tax them all!

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:07pm
  22. The truth is there are many things that the religious get involved in that become laws. Think of abortion, contraception, divorce. The religious can believe anything they wish. They can even try to convince their followers to believe this but stay the heck out of my politics. If they do not want to marry certain people that is their right. Just do not try to control this country with their beliefs. If we start letting religion control our laws think of where we are headed. There are religions that wear certain underwear, eat certain foods, have rules when you can drive a car, do not celebrate holidays, etc. You open that door be ready for the rest. These are all Judea-Christians, who knows what the other religions may decide we should follow.

    Replied on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 1:52pm
  23. These churches need to pay tax, they are a hate business and the tax payers are supporting them. It is time they paid tax like any business. close all the loopholes that religion uses to avoid paying tax

    Replied on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 2:23pm
  24. They are led by the nose by Pat Robertson, the Heritage Foundation, the AFA. They are already dissolving the separation of Church and State but no politician takes them on, because they have them by the balls. These are nothing but religious thugs just as in Russia, Uganda, et. al.

    Replied on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 5:23pm
  25. I’m pretty sure Hera is pissing herself laughing.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:40pm
  26. LMAO, wedding is in the bible, nothing about marriage. look it up, its not in there.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:40pm
  27. Um, has anyone noticed they “the republicans mostly but not all’ are trying to do away with separation of church and state?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:40pm
  28. About 1983 the 'christian coalition' began infiltrating the Republican party powered quietly by church money. They have become more political pushing their value system into government. Even though that is EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN by the U.S. Constitution.

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:15pm
  29. So atheists aren’t really married?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:40pm
  30. Worse than THAT. We don't exist.

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:53pm
  31. And here I thought I was just getting thinner. I'm actually disappearing!

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:56pm
  32. It's like I'm fadiᶰᵍ ᵃʷᵃʸ⋅ ᴰᵒᶰ'ᵗ ᶠᵒʳᵍᵉᵗ ᵐᵉ ᶠʳᶦᶦᶦᶦᵉᵉᵉᵉᵉᶰᵈˢ⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅⋅

    Replied on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 1:33am
  33. Their hats are thilly.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:40pm
  34. Unfortunately…this statement is incorrect.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:41pm
  35. Bullshit! Marriage existed long before your precious church did. So presumptuous!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:41pm
  36. I’m ashamed to live in Indiana.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:41pm
  37. Me too.

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:52pm
  38. Get out and vote ladies and change that

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:00pm
  39. Me too, ugh so disgusted with this place.

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:06pm
  40. then begin paying taxes if willing to talk about politics..separation sir..

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:41pm
  41. Matthew 22:21 – King James Version (KJV)
    21 They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:42pm
  42. Someone needs to remind them marriage is older than Christianity.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:42pm
  43. haha, you’re funny bishop. God doesn’t even exist, and even if he did, he doesn’t write anything dude, the state authorities do.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:42pm
  44. It’s also not in the churches power to dictate state and federal law, so thanks for your opinion but no thanks.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:43pm
  45. What an ASS CLOWN!!!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:43pm
  46. Sick of this lame argument. Its almost as if they fail to realize that their god has no authority on ALL. I believe in zeus and he says being gay is cool. What now.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:43pm
  47. give to ceasser what is ceasers which is the states power to define marriage

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:43pm
  48. Marriage is older then Christianity :s Are these people thick!?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:43pm
  49. Guess what, Batshit. God cannot be proven, ergo, he cannot sign or legalize a secular legal document. FUCK YOU.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:44pm
  50. You can have your catholic matrimony, we are talking state registered marriage. Don’t you guys get it?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:44pm
  51. For over 2,000 years they haven't gotten it.

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:29pm
  52. Marriage is a civil construct. Jesus! I mean, jebus.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:45pm
  53. Wrong, people were uniting in marriage long before organized religion was formed

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:45pm
  54. Yeah god is the author of marriage and marriage doesn’t exist outside of the catholic religion. And if you can’t have children then, your marriage must also be void. Idiots. Take marriage advice from someone who isn’t allowed to even date.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:45pm
  55. Fortunatly is God is not member of a church

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:45pm
  56. Law will take that into account when the existence of God is proven. Can’t trust that which you can’t verify. ^.~

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:45pm
  57. when the existence of God is proven there won't be a need for any of man's laws, it will be way to late

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:30pm
  58. *if, it's not definitive until it happens.

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:38pm
  59. Not that I'm not open to the possibility, but I wont use that possibility as actual fact. Now if there's proof that can be shown of the existence of any god outside of a leap of faith. Then only until it or they can verify what is in the Jewish, Islamic and Christian texts is all and accurate and truly their word. As well their opinion on marriage, then we really can't use it to adequately judge marriage and anything else in that case. Even if they did claim that it was true in a language we can understand, then we have to actually verify what they're saying is indeed correct. Would you listen to a man, woman or thing, no matter how powerful they were until you knew what they were saying was accurate? Of course not, no sane person would. Hypothetically say that they were warning us that we'd have to blindly follow them or they'd bring harm to us and/or our world. Well, that's blackmail and we shouldn't submit to terrorists now, should we?

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:45pm
  60. More nonsense. I forget Indiana is a state.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:46pm
  61. Good biblical point, doesn’t our constitution say freedom of church & state?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:46pm
  62. Said by a man who knows NOTHING about marriage…. really!?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:46pm
  63. Marriage was created my man. Christians Claimed it later.

    The first recorded evidence of marriage ceremonies uniting one woman and one man dates from about 2350 B.C., in Mesopotamia. Over the next several hundred years, marriage evolved into a widespread institution embraced by the ancient Hebrews, Greeks, and Romans. But back then, marriage had little to do with love or with religion.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:46pm
  64. Man is the author of God’s teachings. It’s not within the purview of the Indiana bishops to redefine love.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:47pm
  65. Apparently it is within the state’s power to redefine so….

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:48pm
  66. Clearly this is a bishop that doesn’t listen to his own Pope.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:48pm
  67. Pope Francis has publicly endorsed gay marriage?

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:31pm
  68. When asked about a gay priest, he said "Who am I to judge" Not exactly all-encompassing, but ...

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:04pm
  69. Bigots not Bishops!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:48pm
  70. Batshits not Bishops!

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:50pm
  71. Too bad their hats don’t give them the power to make that call.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:48pm
  72. Since the down of civilization predating all religions marriage is the universal formal union of two people.

    It transcends every continent and every culture. Then why are Cristian Bishops get to define who marries and who doesn’t?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:48pm
  73. B/c they're living in fear

    Replied on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 12:27am
  74. please not listen to the DUMB!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:48pm
  75. …and yet ALL the benefits get issued by the STATE and FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!! This is getting beyond absurd…

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:49pm
  76. legal rights are for all according to God not ure choice..or will..

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:49pm
  77. Did their Jesus say anything about homosexuals? No? Then ’nuff said.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:49pm
  78. As the Roman Catholic Church became a powerful institution in Europe, the blessings of a priest became a necessary step for a marriage to be legally recognized. By the eighth century, marriage was widely accepted in the Catholic church as a sacrament, or a ceremony to bestow God’s grace. At the Council of Trent in 1563, the sacramental nature of marriage was written into canon law.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:49pm
  79. Because, before Christianity, no one EVER got married, right?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:50pm
  80. So, i guess they will be freeing rapists n let them marry their victim n legalize polygamy n incest as well- thats God’s LAW.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:50pm
  81. Keep your religious views to yourself. Marriage is a civil contract!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:50pm
  82. Good thing God and marriage were created by men otherwise we would have an issue

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:50pm
  83. The thing that I find tge most ammusing is do you all realuzecthatcby the irder of seperation of church and state which abolishes the religious veiw in goverment decisions (well is suppossed to anyways) that the definition on ehich they use to define marriage is unconstitutional. The definition of one man on woman isca biblical reference and by there own already in acted laws they are violating constitutional rights. Just thought you all should really realize that we need to start taking more action

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:50pm
  84. To the bishops of Indiana. Take time to read a bit about your own religion!!! Your god, nor your Jesus, are responsible for the decision of marriage. Actually you have to look up when marriage became Holy Matrimony!! You will be so surprised. Then do some more reading about how your RCC allowed, performed and sanctioned, same-sex marriages for the knights that served as crusaders, especially the Templars. Then, how in 1307, the Templars were arrested, tortured and ultimately put to death. Then how in 1327, La Palud, you remember him, gave his famous speech about marriage. Please do your homework before you spew hatred from your pedophilic mouths. You lie more than you know.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:51pm
  85. Well then I guess we have to get rid of the interracial marriage, too then.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:51pm
  86. We need to have the federal government pass the same law they have in France. You must first marry at city hall for your rights, then, if you choose, you may go have some old queen in a frock say rites over you.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:51pm
  87. God doesnt exist it,s the biggest lie ever so simpel as that . I think it,s a satanic fantasy to rule people and the world . And the real truth is there to find for youre self ;) And i dont care if you believe we live in a partly free world but religion doesnt rule my life ever i live in real freedom and take my own responsibility and ask forgiveness at the one,s that i hurt ;)

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:51pm
  88. I Believe in Exterestrials at least you can see them , THEY are GOD that the Bible Speaks of , READ the BIBLE more Closely , JESUS he came down from a white light from a Chariot from the sky and beside him was 2 Exterestrial Angel like beings DERRRRR go Figure , Chariot in the Sky

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:51pm
  89. Thing again, you narrow-minded-bigot. Mind if we take a look in your closets…..?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:52pm
  90. Didn’t people get married before moses was stoned and panicked cause his stash of weed went ablaze?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:52pm
  91. Ya and it’s the states job to prosecute pedophile priests.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:52pm
  92. Marriage existed in many forms prior to the development of any organized religion. Just because someone wrote what they believed at the time to be THEIR interpretation of “god’s” will does not make it so.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:53pm
  93. …and this coming from men who either rape children or hide men who do….some moral authority they are!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:54pm
  94. Nature is author of marriage. It existed before any organized religion. Otherwise how would atheists get married? There are Orthodox men saints who were married together BTW.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:55pm
  95. Flap those jaws

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:55pm
  96. Why is it so hard for these kid f@ckers to grasp the concept that a word can have more than one meaning? There is the religious meaning of the word marriage which no law passed by man will change. Then there is the civil meaning of the word which is merely a special case civil union. Religious agnostic, atheistic even.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:55pm
  97. rock the fuck on patroklos…i still don’t know why we have to have such difference in who we love and who we are…why is god the one who says we can or can’t marry, be as normal as we are, we are no different that anyone else who wnats to get married…the bible does not say you can’t marry her or him…take your organized religion and self it people…stop saying the bible says this and that, just be human beings and do the comapaaion, the love the acceptance that we all should be doing, not fighting over a books dos and don’ts…we are to only be seperate in church and state not in who we love

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:55pm
  98. Douche!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:56pm
  99. Their God, who is the only one people believe in, clearly.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:56pm
  100. Sick of these religeous fools …have they spoken to god recently ….

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:57pm
  101. not the Church’s place to define marriage – it is a legal covenant between two people. Not recognizing it as a sacrament is up to the church. Stop taking stands on political issues!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:58pm
  102. What a total jerk!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:59pm
  103. The concept of marriage is older than the invention of the abrahamic god and it has changed many times over the years.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:59pm
  104. I said it once, and I’ll say it again. It’s ok to be Catholic as long as you don’t practice it…

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 3:59pm
  105. Catholics only changed marriage law to fit what they thought was just. However they still recognized same sex unions and blessed them accordingly.

    Men who married men
    Gay marriage is rare in history—but not unknown. The Roman emperor Nero, who ruled from A.D. 54 to 68, twice married men in formal wedding ceremonies, and forced the Imperial Court to treat them as his wives. In second- and third-century Rome, homosexual weddings became common enough that it worried the social commentator Juvenal, says Marilyn Yalom in A History of the Wife. “Look—a man of family and fortune—being wed to a man!” Juvenal wrote. “Such things, before we’re very much older, will be done in public.” He mocked such unions, saying that male “brides” would never be able to “hold their husbands by having a baby.” The Romans outlawed formal homosexual unions in the year 342. But Yale history professor John Boswell says he’s found scattered evidence of homosexual unions after that time, including some that were recognized by Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches. In one 13th-century Greek Orthodox ceremony, the “Order for Solemnisation of Same Sex Union,” the celebrant asked God to grant the participants “grace to love one another and to abide unhated and not a cause of scandal all the days of their lives, with the help of the Holy Mother of God and all thy saints.”

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:00pm
  106. Separation of State/Church. Get over it!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:00pm
  107. Which one? Moloch? Odin? Yahweh? FSM? Bob?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:00pm
  108. WTFWJD

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:01pm
  109. Inbred sanctimonious scum sucking anti Christian bigots all.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:01pm
  110. People were married long before god was invented.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:01pm
  111. Someone needs to remind these asstwits that marriage was around BEFORE their god and christianity. It isn’t THEIRS to define. Sick fucks.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:03pm
  112. one concept: Arranged Marriages… and Vegas of course :P

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:03pm
  113. No love, you’re getting it all wrong. Man is the author of marriage.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:04pm
  114. That’s funny, because I thought the idea of marriage came around long before the idea of Christianity. Oh wait! Marriage was originally the prospect of a man owning ‘his’ woman. Silly me :)

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:04pm
  115. Oh Ignorant Bishop: “I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own Desires.” Susan B. Anthony

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:07pm
  116. no. no. no. Every society has marriage or commitment ceremonies and many of them formed these ideas without knowing your Catholic god.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:08pm
  117. Nonsense.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:10pm
  118. Amusing. No one is married unless they have a signed state-issued certificate saying so. Marriage is a LEGAL CONTRACT. Period. Anyone who believes otherwise? Prove it.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:10pm
  119. Marriage is a legal issue in the United States. Mayors judges unite in marriage and judges dissolve it.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:11pm
  120. All marriages are civil unions if a license is required. A church wedding is a civil union formalized in a church.

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:27pm
  121. Religion sticking it’s nose into people private affairs.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:11pm
  122. Arrogant, ignorant catholics! In the 5000-year-old Jewish marriage ceremony, there’s no mention of god; it’s a legal contract. Period.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:12pm
  123. what about that natural love instinct, bishop?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:13pm
  124. Hmmmm, wonder which definition of Biblical marriage he is referring to:

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:16pm
  125. Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:16pm
  126. Our society evolved to create laws surrounding a married status. Taxes, financial responsibilities, rules in institutions like hospitals, etc. created an environment to divide an all loving, caring, compassionate society. To level the field, allows us to progress toward a new world society. If we do not progress in that direction, it will only divide us further creating a society always at war with itself. Which would you rather live in? Not everyone lives by the dictates of religion because of these dogmas created by the dinosaurs!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:17pm
  127. The state grants legal rights. They also perform marriages. Separation of Church and State makes the State not be able to tell the Church how to run its proceedings. How is it that this guy thinks he can run the State from his Church?]

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:17pm
  128. marriage; legal affairs ! Matrimony, religious !

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:25pm
  129. I literally hate my state.. They should be more worried about the thousands who commit suicide because of being homosexual. I wonder what they would do if their children came out as lesbian or gay.. It’s just ridiculous.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:26pm
  130. Michael Brunk- nice quote!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:27pm
  131. Marriage is a legal matter.. religion is a religious matter… they are SEPARATE.. shut ya mouth or lose your tax exemption .

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:29pm
  132. So, um, whose God, bishops? Whose God are you talking about? The christian god? The catholic god? The mormon god? The muslim god? Sorry, buttholes, but your god is not the same as my God.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:29pm
  133. Who is this bishop, rip van winkle, gay marrige is acepted almost the world over, with some hold outs, mis the boat pal. These people will fade away. Ps if your god is telling you to treat others diffrently and to hate them, you may not be talking to whom you think you are.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:30pm
  134. Who is this “God” I keep hearing about???

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:30pm
  135. For a moment, it looked like Rush Limbaugh in a robe

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:32pm
  136. Go fuck yourself you dress wearing queen !

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:32pm
  137. which god?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:34pm
  138. I do not believe that or agree with him, but that’s fine if he want to believe that because it has nothing at all to do with the rights of equal rights of citizens under the state’s law (you know, that thing about separation of church and state)

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:36pm
  139. Mooi staaltje van katholiek fundamentalisme in de kersttijd.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:37pm
  140. 12 atractivos sacerdotes protagonizan particular calendario del Vaticano – http://www.shocknews.cl/12-atractivos-sacerdotes-protagonizan-particular-calendario-del-vaticano/

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:38pm
  141. These religious fools know good and well that the STATE requires a LICENSE for the marriage to be LEGAL. If people want God to bless the marriage, that is an entirely different issue, and one that has nothing to do with me.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:38pm
  142. “It’s not within the power of the state to define marriage. So hurry up and define marriage!”

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:38pm
  143. Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion bigots. Ps in my faith the people of two spirits are sacred not evil.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:39pm
  144. Go to hell bible basher

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:39pm
  145. Well Bishop, you are sooooo wrong…

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:40pm
  146. Which god? Which deity? Thor? odin?looki? zeus?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:42pm
  147. People of two spirits are lgbt. People with the spirits of both man and women they are part of the spirit of love inside us all. If a man loves a man a woman loves a woman a person was born with the wrong gender you should respect them.

    I’m a two spirit I am bi but I prefer women though but it’s how I was born on this earth.

    Peace be with you all and have a great winter holiday in what ever form you celebrate! :-)

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:42pm
  148. He needs to show me where God wrote down the definition of marriage. Being a catholic I have NEVER seen it.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:46pm
  149. Marriage existed before Christianity. Your move.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:46pm
  150. I Live In My $tate Not Your Church = P

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:46pm
  151. Then lets just remove all the legalities form marriage then, since that is what the state has the power to control.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:46pm
  152. You listening to your Pope? Get your head out of people’s bedrooms & nuptials.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:46pm
  153. Yes it is for the States to redefine you DUMB ASS!!! Keep your religion where it should be….. Between the walls of your Church!!!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:46pm
  154. Im calling BULLSHIT!! The church DID NOT author marriage. It existed LONG before Christianity was invented

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:47pm
  155. As an atheist I call BS on the “god” thing however as a libertarian I kinda agree with the state thing……the state should have ZERO say in marriage strait or gay…..that’s just me

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:48pm
  156. Behind times dude!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:48pm
  157. Marriage existed before the Catholic Church. It isn’t theirs to define. And if the state can’t define it does that mean we should get rid of ALL CIVIL Marriages???? Watch out heteros…the “church” will come after your marriage too!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:49pm
  158. So when, exactly, did god write the laws in this country???

    And let’s not forget that under GOD’S definition of marriage, it was one man, HUNDREDS of women, PLUS hundreds more concubines! We’ve already redefined that one!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:50pm
  159. God is the Creator of Homosexuality. Over 1500 animal species exhibit 100% natural inborn homosexuality from pair-bonding to parenting and everything in between. Man is the author of the Bible which even conservatives are working to “redefine”. One day these bishops will stop mocking God… or not. From Dogs to Cats to Horses to Dragonflies to Turtles to Humans to everything that has any kind of sexuality – God created Gays to be Gay. Man created hate out of his own ignorance. I choose God’s nature over Man’s deceptions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:52pm
  160. If god is the author of marriage, thank…well, god for rewrites.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:52pm
  161. Nope, bishop, sorry you’re wrong again. Marriage has and always will be a social contract. Learn your history. You’re embarrassing yourself
    http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17351133

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:54pm
  162. So he’s saying other religion’s marriages don’t count either because they’re not Christian holy matrimony? Marriage has existed as social contracts long before Christianity and Christians don’t get to define it for the rest of the human race.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:54pm
  163. Except marriage exists in other religions and existed long before Christianity was even thought of…

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:55pm
  164. Marriage is an older practice than Christianity, therefore, it is not up to Christians to define.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 4:59pm
  165. when did they meet GOD? even I would like to talk to him and hear directly from him

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:00pm
  166. I think they need to re-think their position. Their entire religion is based upon the alleged “Virgin” Mary, who, according to Biblical historians was 14 years old when she gave birth to Jesus. What preacher or minister performed their marriage rites? Why wasn’t God tried in absentia for rape? This is just so much BS I want to scream, and I’m straight! Don’t get me started on how the church obtained the wealth they currently have.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:04pm
  167. its funny how they act like they created marriage! it was around before them and lt will be here long after!!”

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:05pm
  168. Religion is so completely irrelevant.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:09pm
  169. An invisible guy in the sky wrote marriage laws? Seriously?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:09pm
  170. This coming from a guy wearing a red robe and white pointed hat? Go shag an alter boy, you pervert.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:13pm
  171. What do you mean god is the author? Bullshit!!!!! King Constantine helped right the bible with bishops because he was afraid too many people were turning to Christianity!!! It was his way to control them. Man write the bible, not god!!! It’s interesting how Christians turn the other way when you point that out to them because they know it’s true!!!!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:14pm
  172. Aren’t gays also Gods children?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:14pm
  173. Yeah ok. Whatever you say!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:19pm
  174. What the Reverned Gentleman is actually saying is that HE BELIEVES that what he calls God is the author of Catholic Marriage. (and who the FUCK wants that?)

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:20pm
  175. Well, there’s no such thing as god, so yes the state can redefine it all they want.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:20pm
  176. Marriage was around before Christianity and it isn’t defined by ‘God’

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:21pm
  177. Reading the Bible as the historical, infallible word of God leads to considerable hatred and violence. Moses didn’t write anything down and isn’t likely to be an actual person, most likely mythos, and Paul addressed specific issues in his letters, the ones he actually wrote, not all of the letters attributed to him were written by him. A verse here or there is not proof of anything other than a need to find an excuse for something not understood. I’m not saying to ignore the Bible because it shouldn’t be but it also shouldn’t be used as a tool to encourage unChrist-like behavior.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:22pm
  178. Interesting how the bishop in the photo basically looks like Satan. LOL

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:27pm
  179. Shall we REALLY discuss the Biblical example(s) of marriage? The hypocrits!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:28pm
  180. Conveniently forgetting that the states defined marriage as between a man and woman.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:28pm
  181. Yeah, good thing this isn’t some armpit of a theocracy where you get to make the rules for everyone based on your superstitions.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:28pm
  182. Then the “state” should not acknowledge or promote it!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:29pm
  183. Obviously has never actually read history. Amazing how indoctrination works so well.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:29pm
  184. …….apparently this drag queen is unaware that marriages licenses are issued by the state…..

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:29pm
  185. Well isn’t that special . . . coming from a group of pedophiles? Oh, & what about the history lessons taught in every grade school in this country concerning “Separation of Church & State?”

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:32pm
  186. my goddess allows me to marry whom I like and whom likes me back. STFU Your god aint the only one out there.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:34pm
  187. Of course they don’t like gay marriage, they want all the heterosexuals to bread at a faster pace – so they can have there way with the young girls and boys.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:34pm
  188. What happened to separation of church and state!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:44pm
  189. What happened to separation of church and state!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:44pm
  190. Marriage is a “man made up thing”, nothing to do with church or god.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:45pm
  191. All in the name of…..Who???

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:45pm
  192. Marriage was around long before christians where, it is not a christian right, was not invented by the christians and christians have no authority over it!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:47pm
  193. Ugh! See this crap makes ashamed to be a hoosier.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:50pm
  194. Un jour les gens vont finir par comprendre qu’il faut séparer à 100% l égilse et l état…. 100% separation of church and state

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:53pm
  195. Indiana. Home of the Klan. Who cares?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:55pm
  196. And they should realise that God loves us all!!! And I think He wants us all to love each other. They don’t understand what the Bible says and the message God wanted us to follow.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:56pm
  197. Consider if you will that marriage as such existed far before God got into the picture.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:58pm
  198. Except that marriage is defined in several ways in the Bible…someone is redefining it…

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 5:58pm
  199. and this are suppost to be god’s people and leaders to do good, now i know life is really twisted

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:04pm
  200. Ah.. no ! -_- marriage predates Christianity. Nice try moron.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:12pm
  201. Always blaming others and giving God credit and license to discriminate……..

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:17pm
  202. There’s a rebuttal for everything these morons say. Why do we even pay any mind to people who think they’re speaking on Gods behalf, it’s too arrogant and absurd to lend an ear or an eye to.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:18pm
  203. GOD GAVE ALL FREE WILL. These Bishops are wrong.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:21pm
  204. If you believe in the clergy-directed teachings of their anthropomorphic concepts. . .

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:22pm
  205. New Pope seems to be wavering toward humanism quite a bit. . .yaaayyy!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:23pm
  206. I’m going to call my friend Henry VIII…

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:23pm
  207. Newsflash Bishops: You are living a fairytale. You are a living figment.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:27pm
  208. We arent allowed to sell our daughters into wedlock just for three goats and one cow or we dont force our women to marry their rapists. We have already defined marriage many times over!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:27pm
  209. So is the Pope going to have the bishops do his dirty work?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:28pm
  210. So glad they are following the pope’s example…

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:29pm
  211. Well that’s great for his ideology of christian marriage, however separation of church and state allows for civil marriage. Lots of people are married in this country that don’t believe in God nor was he a part of their vows.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:29pm
  212. you want your faith to be that way, fine… but you damn well keep your idea of faith out of my home if that is the case, since my home is open minded and in the 21 century, not the 14th…

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:30pm
  213. Sorry but if you dont have that government paper saying your married yout god marriage dont mean crap

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:30pm
  214. Fuck Him…

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:32pm
  215. And we care what he says…why?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:35pm
  216. The history of marriage is rather more complex than Their Reverences suggest

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:37pm
  217. …and a portion of those who work in the Catholic church just shot themselves in the foot again. Come on! You guys never invented marriage in the first place.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:38pm
  218. What about the centuries of pain and suffering both directly and indirectly caused by the Catholic Church?

    Teaching people to accept poverty, worship Authority figures blindly, and encourage suffering in exchange for getting into Heaven is evil.

    Is God the Author of countless atrocities too?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:39pm
  219. What about the fact that the Church didn't even get involved in marriage issues until the thirteenth century? ;-)

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 10:45pm
  220. Dear God, Would you please tell these “ladies in red” to #1 Mind their own business #2 Read up on the separation of Church and State #3 PAY TAXES #4 SHUT UP ALREADY, no one cares what you say. Thank you, Sincerely, Steve

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:43pm
  221. What? Huh?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:45pm
  222. Another state to cross of the list of places to spend my gay money

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:47pm
  223. BLAH! BLAH! BLAH!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:48pm
  224. Taxing ALL CHURCHS is way OVERDUE!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:53pm
  225. ‘Marriage’ is not the Christian church’s possession to define. It existed centuries before Christianity and many centuries before the US turned it into a taxation on those getting married. It was redefined as a taxable activity which makes it worth about $25 depending on where one purchases a license–which the state can invalidate at any time. Marriage is what two people put into it, which also demonstrates heterosexuals who lead the nation in divorces, spouse abuse and murder, child murder and child rapists, chld abuse, and abuse of the elderly, are no role models for society, especially when most of them claim to be Christian.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:56pm
  226. uh huh…. except for all those people getting married OUTSIDE the church. Who aren’t even christian. -_-

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:58pm
  227. Hide and watch us change it, padre.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 6:58pm
  228. NO religious organization has EVER issued a marriage license. That is a function of the City/County/Municipality in which the couple wanting to marry live. NO religious “rite” or “ritual” is required to be married.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:00pm
  229. And marriage was refined before, that’s why interracial couples can marry. And why women aren’t treated as property. Should we go back to allowing families to choose who women can marry and ban different races from marrying?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:03pm
  230. Gurl, someone get Francis on the horn.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:07pm
  231. He should check out the many “varieties” of marriage in the bible. So glad he is celibate.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:08pm
  232. Whatever…Marriage is a legal contract and nothing more!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:09pm
  233. moron!!!!!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:13pm
  234. When will the god botherers go back into their hole

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:14pm
  235. no shit

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:14pm
  236. Church and state is separate….

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:16pm
  237. Have these idiots read the Bible? The history of marriage in the Bible is NOT one man and one woman. Geez, read the Bible, you goof balls.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:16pm
  238. If they only accept their idea of a Christian marriage as real, then I guess they think that Hindu, Jewish, Musilm, etc.. marriages aren’t real and should be banned?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:18pm
  239. He seems unclear on the concept of CIVIL marriage.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:18pm
  240. That’s right god is the ruler of man kind not the heads of states and neither are u!!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:20pm
  241. Do these people not realise marriage was around thousands of years BEFORE christianity?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:21pm
  242. Alex ur right

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:22pm
  243. Religion is a form of repression , they don’t want u to know or be educated or disobey them

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:24pm
  244. Bigots have no authority over LBGT lives ever heard of separate the church and State ?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:26pm
  245. These religious individuals need to stay in their churches and out of our government.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:29pm
  246. Why does anyone still even think to consider what the talking head of archaic superstitions in the world thinks? He’s a buffoon. He’s got followers, sure….but so does Ted Nugent…these people are not threats. Aim for the big birds.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:40pm
  247. and furthermore, he's from Indiana, the state that made it a felony to apply for a gay marriage license...this isn't a surprise.

    Replied on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:41pm
  248. Tax the shit out of the Churches…. That will give them something else to cry about..watch how quickly they drop the who gay issue…Tax TaxTax….Every single Church…

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:41pm
  249. Facts? We doan’ need no stinkin’ facts.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:43pm
  250. Call Disney! I think one of their Loony Tunes escaped!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:46pm
  251. Yet people married in the church are not married until they apply and receive a LICENSE from the state. You can not deny a state issued license to same sex couples. If you want complete separation don’t allow those marrying in the Catholic Church to get state issued licenses. Period.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:48pm
  252. Religious bigotry much?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:51pm
  253. I personally have never heard God say one word about marriage.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:51pm
  254. marriage is NOT a religious function – asshole

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:52pm
  255. And like many have already said in this post, TAX CHURCHES. This country would be in a much better place, financially, if we taxed organized religions.

    I live in a city where people use their living rooms as churches and get away tax free.

    People get ministerial credentials in the mail and claim to be ministers.

    Most mainstream denominations require four years of college and a M.Div. from and accredited seminary. If people what tax free exemption for their church they should have to provide academic credentials.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:53pm
  256. As a Catholic boy i was taught back in the 40′s that I was made in God’s image & likeness. I was born a gay boy. God made me & screw them and their position on who we should fall in love with & marry.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:55pm
  257. fuck him

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:58pm
  258. Nope!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 7:59pm
  259. Never was that true. The church imposed itself on civil life. Screw him.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:00pm
  260. I try to read these articles before I comment, but as I was skimming the article, all I really read was “sworn celibates continue to bitch about marriage definitions.”

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:01pm
  261. Wat a minutes the what about saints Sergius and Bacchus who are still celebrated to this day and were gay married Roman soldiers. Their marriage certificates and portraits reflect Jesus Christ as the witness to their union. So that being said I would believe that gay marriage should be accepted by these hate based fools, but then let’s not allow facts to cover the issues.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:02pm
  262. Marriage should not be part of law, state or government . If marriage was created by religion then what law are we fighting for? Your God don’t want me to get married ? that’s okay your god is not my god. End of story….

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:02pm
  263. but isn’t law separation of chuch and state? and why are they not being taxed?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:06pm
  264. Has god spoken to these people directly, or did they get it from the bible (which is NOT written by god). Typical churchies

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:11pm
  265. The Bible does not dictate government. Our government is ruled by the Constitution not the Bible. The Bible is for religious denominations to use to make them feel superior to other people.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:11pm
  266. Marriage is a contract. That’s why you go to a gov’t office and sign papers and pay fees. It’s absolutely w/in the state’s power to define it. If I can open a joint bank acct w anyone, ANYONE, then I can marry anyone. If you wanna get married “in the eyes of God” then go to church and have your ceremony, but it’s not legal or recognized by the state.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:12pm
  267. Humans are the author of god!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:16pm
  268. Please don’t attribute the foibles of “knock-off religions” to the church established by Christ, the one He could promise Heaven, for Heaven was His to offer for His way. Hundreds of years later, mere men organized their groups, on quasi-religious themes, and the foibles of these man-made groups have turned off many. Please don’t attribute the foibles of man-made groups to God, Christ, nor His church. We recognize shysters in insurance salesmen, car salesmen, while attributing shysters, “Johnny-come-latelies,” in man-made, knock-offs, “religion,” turning off on true religion, God, Christ, and His church. How sad.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:18pm
  269. Sorry, but we have a separation of church and state and the state decides what constitutes a legal marriage not the church.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:22pm
  270. Yes, they are seditionists and traitors just like the GOP/Tea Party in Congress.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:24pm
  271. Pfft…. I love the rantings of terrified heterosexuals.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:24pm
  272. Can Christians please open a history book? For the love of fuck!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:32pm
  273. As my song says, “Let each church decide for itself.”. Those that want to marry gay couples should be free to and those that don’t should be free not to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSM9m2ePOfg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:35pm
  274. Do they not realize the issue is with government recognized marriage, NOT church recognized marriage, the church can refuse to marry anyone, and that wouldn’t change with the legalization of gay marriage.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:35pm
  275. Wrong!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:39pm
  276. Child molester!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:41pm
  277. Let’s ask the current Pope how he feels about that…

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:42pm
  278. If gods an author then why does “he” have other people write “his” material? Just say’n.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:42pm
  279. Says the Bishop with the creepy face.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:43pm
  280. Not just separation of church and state, but read the fucking Bible, bishops! The Bible was all happy about Solomon having 700 fucking wives, wasn’t it? Wasn’t some kind of bigamy back then, it was normal practice. David and his boyfriend didn’t really mean it when they told the authors of the Old Testament that they really, really loved each other. They were just buddies. Naomi and Ruth could not possibly been interested in other women. When will the Roman Catholic Church get with the fucking program and realize that we’re in the 21st century now? And what is the bishop in this picture grinning about? Being a celibate and therefore life-regrettful individual who likes to be a bigot about other people? Fuck off, padre!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:45pm
  281. who the fuck does he think he’s got his stupid ass hole with a funny hat.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:47pm
  282. Our constitutionally guaranteed “…freedom of religion…” does not say “…freedom FROM religion….” Those history books attest to the fact this came into being to protect religion from being influenced, maneuvered, by government. So far, I’m seeing “terrified,” “child molester,” being ascribed to any seen as an enemy of some writers’ views. Please do not equate the Roman Catholic Church, nor the Pope with the church Christ established the one He promised His Heaven, for it was only His to give–the Council of nice, 372 A.D. marks the start of Catholicism, where Christ established His church in 32-33 A.D. Bigotry seems to come in all forms, and is both unacceptable, and unattractive in each instance.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:52pm
  283. True for church weddings, but not legal marriages.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 8:56pm
  284. Fundamentalist Bigots! LOL

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:00pm
  285. Indiana has been called “The Alabama of the Midwest” I think Indiana has now surpassed Alabama with more inbred, uneducated and ignorant bigoted people. No wonder businesses Don’t want to do business in Indiana since most civilized companies and states in the Nation realize that if you discriminate against gays and lesbians then you are going against their own company policies Banning discrimination based on race, creed, religion and sexual orientation and disabilities and other things that people have prejudices against.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:01pm
  286. Suboena God and God can come to court and state his/her case.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:04pm
  287. Johnny Schaefer that is how the laws were written in Canada. There have never been arguments about it and its been 10 years for same sex marriages in Canada.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:16pm
  288. Since when can this god of yours write.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:16pm
  289. Not capitalized for a reason. They forget they’re not the only kid on the block. They need a fat tax bill. It’s absurd these people can get so rich

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:17pm
  290. SHOW ME ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE WHERE GOD DEFINES MARRIAGE AS A UNION BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN- YOU CAN’T BECAUSE IT ISN’T IN THERE….PATROKLOS IS CORRECT REMEMBER SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, THE CHURCH CAN KEEEP IT’S MOUTH SHUT ON THE ISSUE OR PAY YOUR SHARE OF TAXES. GOVERNMENT DO YOUR JOB, LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE OR RESIGN. QUITE FRANKLY THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES HAVE HAD IT WITH ALL OF YOU BASTARDS.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:17pm
  291. Again the argument of it’s ok for a man and woman to marry then get divorced if things backfire, but sacrilege if a same sex couple wants to tie the knot and don’t split. They’ve got no say and love conquers all

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:20pm
  292. There is no God, when are these scum bags going to stop this control aka Religion BS!! Time to grow up people!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:23pm
  293. Where are all the Pope Francis admirers? Come on — you were telling me that *I* was the prejudicial one for calling the PR campaign of the easy going pontiff a hoax.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:26pm
  294. that bishop is an idiot marriage has been around since before the bible

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:26pm
  295. I wouldn’t have a problem with that idea it were god that was really writing the rules or the bible.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:27pm
  296. Bull shit!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:29pm
  297. Marriage is a word that means contractual union recognized by law. Now, if you want to get technical, these bishops claim marriage is only for those who want to have kids. What if a woman can’t have kids? People will tell her that’s part of gods plan, but wait now she’s violating gods law by getting married. So if it was gods plan for her not to have children, then the church shouldn’t have married her, hence the church broke gods law. Oh wait, how would the church know she couldn’t have kids? Easy, have her try before she gets married. Ohhhh, but that breaks gods law too. I got it, Create a scientific test that will verify if gods plan is for her (or man) to be fertile. Damn, science is against gods law too. Well gosh, she should just get married and try to have kids. Ahhhh, but now we are back to square one. Now I’m confused. So does this mean it should be illegal for anyone to have sex before marriage? I mean it breaks gods law right? Oh but no, the government can’t tell people they can’t have sex, so why can the government tell people that gays can’t get married? Oh that’s right, because the church says so. But wait, the church says you can’t have sex before marriage, and that marriage is only meant to procreate, so then the government should make marriage without children illegal. Boy this is a conundrum. I have a solution, keep church laws out of government, and let people decide for themselves (you know, that free will thing?) what they want to do. Because in the end, god will be the one to judge you, and since god doesn’t want to give up his children to the devil, I’m pretty sure he will forgive everyone for violating his laws. That’s why he died in the cross for us ( or so the story is told). There problem solved, can we get on to solving world hunger, poverty, and war?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:31pm
  298. Somebody write to Pope Francis so he can smack these bishops down.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:32pm
  299. Did you translate it right? Sure it wasn’t “a man shouldn’t make love to a man sn his wife’s bed. It makes the bed unclean”?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:33pm
  300. God does not exist.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:33pm
  301. Is it really any wonder that the bishops are brain washed?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:38pm
  302. Yes, but humans wrote the Gospels. I doubt that humans were different back then and had their own prejudices. So I’ll just go with the latest information when Jesus said, “love one another”…which, by the way did not add “except gay people”.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:40pm
  303. is that true about child molesting too ?

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:46pm
  304. Then states should marry no one, civil unions for all!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:51pm
  305. Horse crap.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:56pm
  306. in your pretty red robe and queeny hat

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 9:57pm
  307. You know I swear there is something called Seperation of Church and State. They must have missed that one.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 10:04pm
  308. Et ile portent des robes ces connards !!!!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 10:10pm
  309. Piss off Big Nose!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 10:29pm
  310. I cant take someone seriously when they are wearing a french fry box on there head. Why does everyone think children are in danger of gay people. Espec. Since there is an awful lot of child rape by cath. Priest and preachers cheating on their spouses oh my god people

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 10:29pm
  311. They’re just mad because their pope isn’t as big of a fucktard as they are.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 10:29pm
  312. I don’t see why god would leave anyone out. These people are just discriminating and defining marriage by THEIR own will.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 10:39pm
  313. It is, however, within the State’s power to redefine your tax breaks.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 10:47pm
  314. fuck these assholes….

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 10:57pm
  315. show me that in writing xxx

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 11:01pm
  316. Tax the motherfuckers. They are merely a political organization bent on destroying countless human lives.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 11:16pm
  317. Marriage predates christianity therefor christians have no right to define it.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 11:18pm
  318. Your god says don’t molest little boys either.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 11:19pm
  319. Blah, blah.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 11:22pm
  320. What utter Catholic rhetoric BULLSHIT! It’s time this “church” lose it’s power over the world!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 11:26pm
  321. Blow it out your kiester, bish. Marriage is a contract between consenting adults.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 11:26pm
  322. First, there is no god. Second, bring the pedophile priests to justice before talking justice. Fucktard!

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 11:31pm
  323. It all fake and a wonderful way to control mindless dip shits

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 11:32pm
  324. Amen Patroklos Olosc

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 11:33pm
  325. How ’bout this, bishopricks: you defend the current altar boys and take financial and medical (including psychiatry) of the ones who have survived Padre Pedophile & the fondling fathers.

    You let us worry about marriage and equality.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 11:34pm
  326. ok…so if the state is not able to define marriage in any way, then why does the church honor and acknowledge a marriage performed by someone other than a religious leader? For that matter, why is it that the STATE handles the process for the divorce? Why doesn’t the church? One cannot claim that it only belongs to “God” the right to “define” marriage…not when it’s ok for the State to define other aspects of marriage.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 11:43pm
  327. They should actually study the history of marriage in the Catholic Church w/o making these stupid comments. Marriage only became Sacramental after the Council of Trent, to combat the “threat” of Protestant sects. Before then, marriage followed Roman law and was primarily a civil contract issue. Also, the Church had same sex union rituals in both the East and West through the Renaissance.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 11:44pm
  328. They should shut up and go suck an alter boy.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 11:48pm
  329. Sorry Bishops, your God wasn’t the author so it doesn’t get a say.

    Posted on Friday, December 13, 2013 at 11:57pm
  330. Interesting, Marriage was performed in civil ceremonies by Christians and non-Christians alike hundreds of years after Christ. Marriage sanctioned in a religions service is a “new” phenom.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 12:04am
  331. The Church can define whatever it wants whatever way it wants. But civil society can do the same. Regardless.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 12:13am
  332. They’re right, and as such, as this is not a theocracy, no religious institute can hold legal standing in the government. Therefore, to preserve the integrity of the sacrament of matrimony, all legal rights, purviews, associations and benefits linked with marriage must immediately and permanently be repealed, severing forever the legal standing of marriage rights. Since, ya know, the state has no right to define it… dicks.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 12:17am
  333. so if god is the author why are their pieholes open?

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 12:18am
  334. not all marriage vows were witnessed and blessed by the Christian’s God.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 12:19am
  335. Where is INDIANA?

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 12:26am
  336. atheist here lol

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 12:56am
  337. and thier beliefs are the youngest of all the differnt beliefs

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 12:57am
  338. Freedom OF religion also means freedom FROM religion…. js

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 1:02am
  339. We need to remind them that the “Legion of Christ” (a cult sanctioned by the papal office) had a leader that fathered 3 children and molested countless seminarians before his ousting. None of these crimes and indiscretions were addressed or punished.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 1:14am
  340. Not within the state’s power and not within the church’s power.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 1:14am
  341. Screw these asswipes. When did time come that the “employees” of the POPE and CEO ignores what they have been told.
    All of them are little dictators within their own areas and none of them can nor should “speak” for “God”. Jesus talked the talk and walked the walk, more than I can say for the fake “holy” men!

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 1:34am
  342. nice outfit…Blanche…

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 1:36am
  343. Deliberate eyeroll. Marriage isn’t a purely Christian tradition. It’s an legl economic ceremony.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 2:00am
  344. Bla bla bla – a marriage is promise given by two people to each other. And the priest is just a witness og the marriage, on the name of God. Just witness, nothing else. So, if you forget your place stupid priests, go away to the moon and don’t go back.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 2:17am
  345. Does anyone really care what any wacko in a silly outfit has to say about marriage?

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 2:22am
  346. Funny the Pope doesn’t find it his place to judge, cardinal asshat better fall in line. Unless he has a direct line to God, everything is heresay.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 2:29am
  347. God also does not want priest and bishops sleeping w/ children!! cant wait for judgement day

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 2:44am
  348. Sinful

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 2:52am
  349. i wonder how many of them will e on their knees asking god for forgivness–i guess they have a right to overlook theres-accordingto them

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 3:00am
  350. Those outfits are to die for!

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 3:03am
  351. Except not?
    Marriage existed LONG before Christianity, and it has existed without the presence of the Judeo-Christian god for millennia.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 3:20am
  352. I really wish these guys would start listening to the pope

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 3:33am
  353. Division of church and state? anyone?! Guess he is not familiar with our constitution. Maybe he should read it instead of that other book.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 3:57am
  354. Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 4:04am
  355. oh! ok, I didn’t know that till the church arrived on the scene there was no such thing as marriage!

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 4:15am
  356. all marriage is, is a piece of paper saying “hey i can claim you on my taxes, also you MIGHT get some of my benefits from work (if i have any)”

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 4:20am
  357. So God is the author of marriage? His plan of marriage is enslaving women and concubines? The new testament redefines marriage from the instructions of marriage in the old testament. The new testament instructions are for a man not to take a wife. But if he cannot control his desires, it is better for him to take one wife. These changes are contrary to the rules of the old testament which were actually accepted practices rather than biblical rules. Just like slavery wasn’t prescribed by the bible, but an accepted practice.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 4:40am
  358. Marriage has been around longer then christianity…. Its nto really theirs to define either

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 4:49am
  359. Marriage existed LONG before christianity and will exist long after it. When Joseph “married” Mary (the mother of Jesus) all they did was move Mary into Joseph’s house…there is your “traditional marriage”

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 4:54am
  360. god has a say in ur idiot churches only – not civilly

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 4:56am
  361. why are people interfering with individual person’s choice of love? we need to focus on poverty, domestic violence, terrorism!!!

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 5:08am
  362. To hell with you and your pastoral letter the state passes the laws on marriage NOT you bunch of funny dressing child molesting haters you are the reason people are leaving the churches in mass

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 5:12am
  363. Has anyone checked the Old Testament idea of marriage? How many wives did Abraham have? How many concubines?

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 5:27am
  364. Too bad they don’t listen to their boss …

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 5:37am
  365. the state is secular: bishops can only vote once like anybody else.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 5:37am
  366. I’m an Atheist. I don’t recognize their authority to tell anyone else what to do.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 5:56am
  367. The problem is, the Bible does not define marriage as one man and one women. That’s a man made doctrine. Give me the book and verse where it does? No one ever shows it! More frightening , many of the great profits had more than one wife, so one man and two women? three women? And a concubine? Seriously…..

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 5:58am
  368. These bishops don’t speak for every person in Indiana please don’t bash the state as a whole for a few ill thinking bishops. I say this is reply to Brian Cox’s comment.There are still nice intelligent people there.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 6:01am
  369. A Queen in red.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 6:06am
  370. Saying it over and over again does not make it so. Marriage has always been, first and foremost, a social contract. The Catholic church does not have to perform a wedding for any couple it deems to be ill-prepared or ill-suited for a life bound by marriage vows. The Church is more beholden to the will of the State that the reverse, because the Church needs the State to uphold the legality of the marriages over which it officiates. People can have a ceremony in every church in the country, but without a marriage certificate they are not legally married.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 6:11am
  371. Fucking idiots! Take you sexist invisible Sky-Daddy and shove it!

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 6:29am
  372. a legal contract is a legal contract!

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 6:46am
  373. Dumbass doesn’t even understand that marriage and unions came before their stupid religion!!!

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 7:23am
  374. Marriage predates Christianity anyway: it’s not yours to ‘define’, assholes.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 7:25am
  375. has this bishop heard of The Pope? He’s this guy in Rome that said “LAY OFF ASSHOLE” recently.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 8:30am
  376. God redefined marriage in the Bible a few times proving that the definition of marriage is a cultural issue.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 10:04am
  377. Even gawd hates these fuckers! We’re better off without religion.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 10:36am
  378. Precisely……that is why Marriage Equality is paramount!!!God is the Author the the hypocritcal religious societies……tend to your business and let God marry those who wish to dwell in the name of God, LOVE !

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 11:19am
  379. Really like I guess he was author of priest pedophiles doubt it

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 12:17pm
  380. First prove there is a god, second prove it is you god, third prove your interpretation of you god is correct. Can’t do that? THen FUCK OFF!

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 12:28pm
  381. Bishop talk to your Pope. Who are you to judge.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 12:40pm
  382. He wears funny hats. What does he know?

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 12:59pm
  383. isnt it wedding (wedding at cana) for the church and marriage (marriage license) for the state?

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 1:02pm
  384. Good excuse… prove it.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 1:29pm
  385. Wow, apparently he forgot about the separation of church and state. Must have been praying in his head during all those U.S. history lessons. The truth is states DO have the power to define marriage. It is not within the power of his misused religion to redefine it.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 1:37pm
  386. Moron.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 1:45pm
  387. The well-being of children? This from a 500 year line of pedophiles?

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 1:59pm
  388. That is an anti Pastoral, anti family, anti compassion, anti reasonable and anti Godly letter. It is a bigoted, paranoid, unloving, ignorant and demon haunted world perspective. It is impossible to celebrate the high ground of compassion without seriously wanting to know the truth. Belief can’t be held above compassion and reason or all you own is a really hurtful stupid opinion.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 2:11pm
  389. Anything the state issues a license for is the state’s business, don’tcha think?

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 2:19pm
  390. I don’t mine the church having their say in law matters as long as they pay tax. LGBT people pay tax, therefor they have a say in what happens in law. No child molesters are going to stop me having equal rights

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 2:19pm
  391. It’s interesting to me when people seem to know God’s plan for humanity. I’m sure we’d all like to visit that pipeline. Do they serve marijuana or hashish?

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 2:20pm
  392. Actually, humans define marriage.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 3:18pm
  393. Would everyone just please go to the Bible and see how “god” defines marriage…, please, just do it, and end this bullshit once and for all – that means you to Mr.Bishop-man. And please stop quoting Leviticus and that passage about man with man is an abomination, since so is eating shell fish and i do not see you going around trying to close down Red Lobster.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 3:19pm
  394. The church wants to control the government. And Americans are afraid of Sharia law!

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 3:19pm
  395. Whose god???

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 3:32pm
  396. Yeah???? and who gave him the damn pen…hmmm??

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 3:37pm
  397. If so, then why can’t churches grant divorce, hmm!?

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 4:43pm
  398. The Bible warns us not to trust men in flowing robes

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 5:01pm
  399. another ass hole

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 5:18pm
  400. Blah blah blah blah blah! Merry Christmas blah blah blah.

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 5:19pm
  401. Pathetic excuses for so-called Christians!

    Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2013 at 5:27pm