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Halloween horrors: The ghost of Proposition 8 returns…

Given all the similarities to Prop 8 messaging, it’s no surprise that the National Organization for Marriage is behind a petition drive to overturn a transgender student rights law
Monday, October 14, 2013

Living in Southern California, where we don’t get a lot of seasonal variation, one of our treasured fall rituals is our annual family trek to Julian, Calif..

Each year, Russ and I pile the boys into the car and head to the picturesque mining town just northeast of San Diego, where we indulge in all of the sights and senses of autumn, eating more than our share of apple pie. It is a journey I cherish, but this year, instead of being festive and restorative, the visit brought to mind the more recent horrors of Halloweens past, as the ghost of Prop 8 unexpectedly came rushing back in the most unwelcome of places.

Privacy-for-all-StudentsWe’d just arrived, stepping onto the charming main street, when I spotted it: a line of people standing, waiting.

At first I thought it was a backed-up line of customers pouring forth from one of the town’s many restaurants, but as we got closer, I was able to spot a card table, with two small, simple signs affixed, “Stop Co-Ed Showers in Schools” and “No Opposite Sex in School Bathrooms.”

It was then that I realized that the hordes of tourists were not waiting for pie, but for their chance to add signatures to the growing petition list hoping to topple California’s new transgender rights law.

As an LGBT advocate and gay dad, I was both sickened and saddened. Not only was I immediately and emotionally transported back to those divisive fall days leading up to the November 2008 election, when front yards across the state were littered with both fake gravestones and political signs, but the thought of fighting yet another brutal battle, and one we’re likely to lose, put an abrupt end to my autumnal revelry.

For myself and many other LGBT people, the stigma of being thought of as “sick” and “abnormal” has shadowed me, making me work diligently to be viewed as good, “normal,” and a person of value.

I’ve been on the front-lines, time and again, battling for the rights that should, in America, be a given. During the Prop 8 campaign, it was incredibly demoralizing to work planning our anti-Prop 8 rallies, only to drive through a sea of yellow pro-8 signs as we headed back home.

In conversations with voters, they would say, “Oh, we’re not voting against you; we’re voting to protect our children.” Um, protect them from whom, exactly? Me? I’ve spent years fighting for basic treatment under the law, and being dismissed as less than can take a personal toll on one’s psyche.

Happily, for gays and lesbians nationwide, we’re finally seeing the political results of such efforts, as in both courts of law and public opinion we’re steadily being given the same rights and responsibilities as most everyone else, moving the “LGB” in our movement one step closer to actual equality.

In our various campaigns, we’ve been joined time and again by our transgender allies, yet I wonder if the “LGB” members of community will this time stand up for the “T.”

Too often, trans people and their concerns are largely relegated to the back of the bus. Within the LGBTQIA community, there are divisions, particularly as while we share the common goal of equality, for some the root is sexual identity and for others it is gender identity.

For gays and lesbians, who perhaps have been told that the butch dyke “wants to be a man,” while the effeminate guy “really wants to be a girl,” joining forces with those who in fact may identify with a different gender can be confusing.

Indeed, I’ve even heard some gays and lesbians refer to transgender people as “sick” and “abnormal” — using the very same arrows slung by others to demoralize and dehumanize gays. This lack of compassion, as well as a general lack of curiosity as to who trans people are, makes me wonder who among us will stand alongside them when this battle comes…

Actually — correct that: the battle is here. The anti-gay, anti-trans troops from NOM are on the ground, mobilized, and using many of the same strategies which proved effective for them on Prop 8.

This petition is being sold to the California public as a way to protect children, with the accessible and sensible title of “Privacy for All Students.”

Who, after all, can articulately argue against the right to privacy? Respect for individual freedom and privacy seems inherently American, making the signing of a petition which says just that seem fairly reasonable. Come to think of it, isn’t individual privacy an essential element of the LGBT equal rights movement???

“Stop Co-Ed Showers in Schools.” Gosh, sounds like we need to stop some wild parties, huh? Check–petition signed!

“No Opposite Sex in School Bathrooms.” Again, that seems like a sensible request–so why not sign the petition???

Unfortunately, the thousands of people who do sign these petitions will not explore the law in any further depth than just reading the poster taglines. And when these petitioners gather the necessary 500,000 signatures, those same effective messages will be used to engage voters on the proposition’s behalf. (While they have very few days remaining in which to gather the necessary signatures, if the enthusiasm I witnessed in Julian is any indication of momentum elsewhere, they’ll have no problem meeting their quota.)

Given all the similarities to Prop 8 messaging, it’s no surprise that the National Organization for Marriage is behind this petition drive, or that Prop 8′s chief strategist, Frank Schubert, works on this campaign as well.

As NOM has clearly demonstrated in each of their campaigns, being truthful in their quest is less important to them than winning.

The law as written was created to ensure that transgender students feel safe at school, and that the way in which they view themselves is in sync with how they live their lives, enabling them to dress and go about their day as they identify (including going to the bathroom or playing sports.) You’d never know that, though, from the petition drive.

Here, the majority of California’s “innocent children” are under attack from a vile, twisted bunch hoping to ogle the opposite sex in the bathroom. Just as in Prop 8, the LGBT community is being equated with pedophiles. That tired old “abnormal” and “sick” paint brush is being used collectively on the trans community, as if simply being different makes one unworthy of equal treatment under the law.

Of course, the petition drive doesn’t mention that there are already laws in place to prevent bad behavior, violence, or voyeurism. Instead, it creates the impression of a lawless land, a World War T where the only way to defeat the “trans zombies” is to build barriers, lest their “infections” spread to the general populace.

I’m curious to see what the LGBT organizations have up their sleeve in order to combat this eventual proposition; I hope it involves actual transgender people.

Real people with real stories make for compelling testimony, but my hunch is that, just as in the anti-Prop 8 commercials, we’ll instead be treated to our straight allies waxing obliquely about equality and respect, with trans people themselves deemed “too icky” and “risky” for public consumption. But it is exactly the personal which helps open hearts and transform minds.

We’re friendly with one family at our church who has a transgender child who self-identified as a girl and has dressed as such since she was very young. (I interviewed her mother here.)

In every move, gesture, as well as in appearance, she is indeed a girl. If it were not for her activism and willingness to speak to the media, no one would ever think differently.

But imagine if this girl, wearing her pretty pink dress, were to enter a boys’ bathroom? Or be forced to play on the boys’ team, in disregard to her preferred gender? Wouldn’t, at the very least, questions be asked? How could her privacy as a transgender person — let alone safety–be ensured?

This bill simply allows her to participate in sports as a girl, use facilities as a girl, and–in essence–live her life as she so chooses.

Critics point to the old California law as being “fair,” which provided trans students with the ability to use private facilities, but such attempts only furthers stigmatization and “outs” the trans person as such. (For a list of common misconceptions around this new legislation, visit American Progress.)

While it may be easy for NOM to make transgender people seem the boogeyman in this fight, there is something much scarier at work.

In this petition drive, there is dishonesty and misrepresentation of transgender people at the expense of their esteem and perhaps even their personal safety. During the Prop 8 battle, some pointed to an increase in anti-gay violence as attributable to the bruising fight, which makes me wonder and fear for the safety involved in this battle as well.

Though this petition drive is occurring now, we’ll see the results of their labor next fall on the November 2014 ballot.

And once again, next Halloween will be an unsettling mix of both fake ghosts, hung from trees, and the very real ghosts of Prop 8, played out like a bad scary movie to which we already know the ending: ignorant masses will be riled up by fear and bias in order to pass a ballot measure at the expense of a largely-defenseless minority.

Happy Halloween.

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114 more reader comments:

  1. Geez this old story again, we give this honor to the strait people :P

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:24pm
  2. first of all some transgenders are straight so wtf

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:24pm
  3. These people were doing a petition in Oakhurst, CA my mother went into the Vons their and complained because the guy asking for signitures went off the deep end and starting spewing hate speech. So the Vons management asked him to leave and not come back.

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:25pm
  4. Sorry, but children with penises do no belong in the showers with children with vaginas. I will not support this petition, though I support it’s intent.

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:26pm
  5. So people are just genitalia. Interesting.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:31pm
  6. so should gay people be able to share showers with straight people ???

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:33pm
  7. Diva, your argument is a fallacy. If you are so dead set on putting penises and vaginas in the same shower, then why not have only one locker-room and one set of showers?

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:37pm
  8. If you really want to come out public with the right to identify as something opposed to your biology, then do it publicly. One-size-fits-all.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:39pm
  9. Buz, your claims here show a startling lack of education on the subject at hand. You may want to research the effects of Hormone Replacement Therapy, and the process of transition in general before you make yourself look ignorant and / or just plain silly.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:49pm
  10. If you have a penis, you are biologically male, and if you have a vagina, you are biologically female. I don't think I'm ignorant, on that point. Parents have a right to expect that their children are being protected from the mixing of the biological sexes, with regard to nudity and hygiene. You don't like it? HOME-SCHOOL!

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:53pm
  11. I agree with Buz but if they had the complete change from male to female or female to male then that would be different. I think until then they should have separate bathrooms, showers & changing rooms.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:53pm
  12. Tami is on the right track. Perhaps a third set of showers for the gender-confused.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:56pm
  13. I'm not saying they're confused tho. But If they feel one way or the other then they could use the alternative ones.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:24pm
  14. If they are uncomfortable using the showers that are designated for use by others who share their biological gender, then they can opt, through the school's counseling program, to be exempted from gym and extra-curricular sports. Problem solved.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:26pm
  15. “If you have a penis, you are biologically male, and if you have a vagina, you are biologically female.” — Sorry, but this is just not quite correct. Genitalia do not equal gender. Why are you so obsessed about what’s between people’s legs?

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:35pm
  16. If YOU are so obessed with dragging your FEMALE PENIS into a women's locker room, then perhaps it is YOU who hasn't a fucking clue what the difference between BIOLOGICAL and PERCEIVED is.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:36pm
  17. There is no such thing as a FEMALE penis or a MALE VAGINA. THAT is biology. Transgenderism is wholly PERCEPTUAL.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:37pm
  18. For as small a percentile of the population as are truly transgender, and not simply transgender as a result of sexual orientation issues, the point is moot. It represents an anomoly. We don't make sweeping changes to social norms based on anomolies.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:41pm
  19. There is an expemtion that can be used to excuse a student in public schools from Physical education classes and intramural sports. Take it.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:43pm
  20. Buz, you are of course entitled to your opinion… I would invite you though to read up on trans• related facts. What you are saying here is just not correct, and the use of UPPERCASE LETTERS doesn’t make it any different.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 10:02pm
  21. What facts am I getting wrong? Physically, (biologically) that which is born with a penis and testicles is male. Physically, (biologically) that which is born with a vagina and ovaries is female. It is the same throughout the animal kingdom. While there are species which are, by their genus and species, born asexual or with the ability to spontaneously alter their biology to transform from male to female for the purpose of reproduction, humans are not among those species. The mental perception of one's gender is another matter, entirely, and does not alter the physical (biological) birth-gender. The ONLY thing that can alter the physical (biological) gender is gender-reassignment, a medical-surgical procedure. Wishing it to be different does not make it so. If you were born with a penis and testicles, you were born male, regardless of how 'at odds' your psyche is with that designation. Alter it, if you feel the need. If you don't feel the need, then suck it up and deal with what you've been given. Wishing you had a vagina does not make you a woman. If you feel that you are a woman trapped in a man's body, then by all means, schedule the surgery and force your body to conform with what your mind perceives. Once you're done, all of society will recognize you to be a woman. Until then, you are a man in a dress with gender issues.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 10:13pm
  22. I know, and respect, many brave individuals who have undergone gender reassignment, and they no longer have issues regarding how they are percieved, and aren't NEARLY as obnoxious as are those who haven't the GUTS to make the necessary change. You can't have it both ways.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 10:16pm
  23. Because of the fact that I am gay, and came out at a very early age, I have no problem with treating a person who is dressed in women's clothes like a woman, and even have no problem addressing them using the pronouns ascribed to the perceived gender. I mean, I've known drag queens/kings numbering in the thousands, in my lifetime, and I can play 'pretend' right along with the best of them. What I have a problem with is women dragging out a penis in a bathroom and claiming to be 'real' women. There is a transgendered 'woman' here in Houston who tricked the State into changing the gender-identifier on his/her driver's license by convincing them that he/she intended to have reassignment surgery. S/he loudly proclaims, "I'm a real woman....see? The State even says so" ... while sitting at the bar attempting to 'hook up' with a woman. Yes, "she" has a fully-functional penis, and uses it to have heterosexual sex with women, but IS a WOMAN? BULLSHIT!

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 10:23pm
  24. S/he laughs at the State, now saying the S/he has no intention of going through the procedure, saying, "Why should I when I can have it all?!" Get the surgery.....then we'll talk.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 10:25pm
  25. "If you have a penis, you are biologically male, and if you have a vagina, you are biologically female. I don't think I'm ignorant, on that point." You are. There are a number of intersex states which fall outside your binary definition. There are XY-chromosome women and women whose ovaries produce male sperm and men with breasts and a variety of hermaphrodites. "Parents have a right to expect that their children are being protected from the mixing of the biological sexes, with regard to nudity and hygiene." Protected from what? There's an assumption here that a male seeing a female or vice-versa is somehow harmful to them. This sort of thinking is absurd and harmful. "If they are uncomfortable using the showers that are designated for use by others who share their biological gender, then they can opt, through the school's counseling program, to be exempted from gym and extra-curricular sports. Problem solved." Separate but equal, right? Because we all know how well that works out. "There is no such thing as a FEMALE penis or a MALE VAGINA. THAT is biology." As above: That's your ignorance speaking. "transgender as a result of sexual orientation issues" The link you suggest between these concepts is fictional.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 10:27pm
  26. How does I different chromosomal makeup from the "norm" or understand brain patterns different from someone's genitalia, I just don't know, man. In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about. Whether or not you're gay is irrelevant - we're talking about being trans, not finding the same sex sexually attractive. Two completely different things. Also, in case it wasn't obvious, being trans is not entirely perceptual. This is all pretty easy to find for yourself.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 11:07pm
  27. Okay, so why don't you tell me how you're going to instruct heterosexual parents of cisgendered heterosexual children that some girls have cocks and some boys have cunts.

    Replied on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 10:35pm
  28. Keep NOM out of society, as they say, if you’ve got nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all. I’m tired of these assholes talking rubbish.

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:28pm
  29. Genitalia don’t really become an issue until hormones start, so I don’t care if my girl child and boy child of the same age shower together

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:28pm
  30. No, that’s fine. Because these kids, when they change their sex, they are no longer boys, they become girls. And vice versa. So yeah, keep your stupid petition. We need to recognize people for who they are, not what we WANT them to be.

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:30pm
  31. I agree that post-op transsexuals should shower with those persons who are of the same physical gender AFTER the transition is complete, and would fight to the death to see that this is mandated, though I would NOT support gender-reassignment surgery for those whose bodies have not yet finished developing, to begin with, making the point, again, moot.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:47pm
  32. I don't know the deal with the waiting until they're fully matured. I hear arguments for both sides. All I know is if one of my kids felt they were the wrong sex, I would do anything in my power to make sure they found the right skin and were supported, completely, wherever they were.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:48pm
  33. As a transgender girl I believe we should have gender neutral bathrooms. problem solved. and if a transsexual wants to shower with her fellow girls then let her but if she clearly has not started hormone therapy then she should shower with the boys. sorry but you have to deal with it or just dont take PE classes

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:31pm
  34. group facilities breed contempt anyhow… if the school doesn’t want mixed bathing for trans people they can use alternative place or times… give me a break being trans is bloody hard… i am transgender

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:32pm
  35. There was a man in front of Vons in Oakhurst saying it was to keep men out of little girls bathrooms in schools,when I confronted him he said the gays need to be kept in their place. I called Vons and they made the signature taker leave. Ya vons

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:40pm
  36. Lady, when I was in school, I didn't have gender issues and STILL waited until the rest of the gym class had showered and moved on before I took a shower. Why? Because I'm gay, and it was dangerous for anyone who wasn't a spitting, ball-scratching, trash-talking pussy-pounder to be vulnerable in one of those locker rooms. I found a solution that worked for me, and as soon as I was able to arrange it, I had my school counselor exempt me from P.E. classes, entirely. The solution is not to FORCE people to shower with gender-opposites.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:53pm
  37. Forcing such an issue is akin to throwing gasoline on a fire.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:54pm
  38. Buz you seem real hostile. I’m sorry you seem stressed.

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:42pm
  39. Everyone needs to pay attention. A true transgender female is not and will never be sexually interested in a biological girl or woman. A true boy will not ever want to play on a girl’s sports team. Why can’t anyone understand common sense?

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:48pm
  40. There are transgendered people who are attracted to people of the same gender they aspire to be. Sexual identity and sexual attraction are two different things and don't follow "rules". Gay kids shower with their own gender all the time, and mostly they are only concerned with getting out of there unharassed. They aren't looking to hook up with everyone they see. Same with transgendered kids, regardless of which gender they are attracted to, they just want to get through their day and be treated like everyone else.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:33pm
  41. What. Sexuality and gender identity are two completely different animals. There are many trans people who have homosexual. Also, please define "true" in this case. I can understand your sentiment, but it's such a sweeping overgeneralization that it's entirely false.

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 11:10pm
  42. I was just going to say that... I am FTM and I am attracted to Men, I am gay.... Gender identity and Sexuality are totally different.... Eliza I think you should look more into it.... the whole "you cant like the same gender if you are transgender" is a REALLLY outdated belief....

    Replied on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 7:53am
  43. If they were so concerned about “marriage” they obviously don’t know the history of it.

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:49pm
  44. And what does the national organization of marriage have to do with transgender children? I thought they’re whole purpose is “to defend traditional marriage” not fuck with a child’s life.. Tsk tsk.. And Buz, go find something to do with your life other than make idiotic comments on this page

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:49pm
  45. If they had the complete change from male to female or female to male then that would be different. I think until then they should have separate bathrooms, showers & changing rooms.

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:54pm
  46. What kids actually shower at school? Has this changed? None of us ever did, there really wasn’t time and nobody wanted to get all the way undressed anyways?

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:55pm
  47. Shame!

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 8:59pm
  48. Just sad.

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:00pm
  49. There is so much more to gender than penises and vaginas! What if an adolescent pre-op transgendered girl, who looks like a girl and acts like a girl still has a penis? When this kid goes to take a shower with the boys after gym class, what do you think is going to happen?She will be beaten to a bloody pulp and possibly raped! Who will protect our transgendered children from the small-minded bigots who would gladly tear them apart just for being different?

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:02pm
  50. And you don't think girls in locker rooms are just as cruel? Wake the hell up!

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:49pm
  51. I do know they're cruel! Usually psychologically cruel to be exact. A transgender child will be called"freak show" in either locker room. And it breaks my heart. Boys are known for ganging up and being physically violent, that's all I meant to say. Ideally, until the kids are enforced NOT to bully, the safest option would be private showering facilities for these kids. I know how kids can be, my own child was bullied for being openly bisexual. And that is NOTHING compared to what transgendered kids go through!

    Replied on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:56pm
  52. That is a hard call. Kids are very sensitive at that age and it would be better to provide transgender kids their own private showers. I think forcing group showers would only bring more contempt and difficulties on their sweet heads and it isn’t necessary.

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:03pm
  53. There was a guy outside Walmart getting signatures by saying sign here to separate the boys and girls restrooms. Of course, i asked if this was about transgender people. He said the boys or girls can lie to sneak a peek. I said yeah bc telling everyone you are transgender is so popular amongst children. What a joke.

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:20pm
  54. I can’t wait until these religious wackos get as marginalized as the KKK.

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:31pm
  55. omg – what will these idiots think of next?

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:32pm
  56. Transgender people ARE NOT GENDER-CONFUSED! If the idiots only had 1/2 a brain, they’d know that Transgender individuals go through psychiatric therapy before being diagnosed .. With Gender Identity Disorder (GID) from the DSM-IV or Gender Dysphoria in the new DSM-V. Can you imagine the fight they struggle with? Knowing inside they are not what is on the outside! How many of these that are Transgender have contemplated suicide? The “known” stats show 60-70% of known cases have committed suicide!! How many more have to die before everyone wakes up and sees WE are human just the same as anyone. Another misconception that “sex” is the same as “gender” need to realize they are totally separate systems. Just as cardiovascular is NOT the same as respiratory system. Just because one at birth either has something that “sticks out” or doesn’t, does not Characterize “who” they are. …

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:37pm
  57. What a blessing your story is and that you are Lauryn. I thank you for even further educating me, we all need to share this education, it dissipates ignorance and hate.

    Replied on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 1:58am
  58. What a blessing your story is and that you are Lauryn. I thank you for even further educating me, we all need to share this education, it dissipates ignorance and hate.

    Replied on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 1:58am
  59. Like it isn’t tough enough dealing with feelings most people say are wrong, and knowing you were born into the wrong body, but to have all these people now saying you’re a sicko and pedophile because of something you have no control over… Karma can never craft an appropriate punishment strong enough for these hateful NOM monsters.

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:38pm
  60. the hate and misinformation continues… sigh. What really kills me is that most of the people who will sign this petition don’t know anything about the subject matter.

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:40pm
  61. I’m not here to “debate” .. But Buzz “dumbass” has no clue how to come to understanding!! I also view his comments as discriminating and vulgar!

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:41pm
  62. That’s exactly what I was stating Amala Jaya .. People need to be educated better! What if there family member was transgender? How would they feel or react?

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:42pm
  63. If they’re not boys then they’re not boys. So. That was easy.

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:45pm
  64. Another idiot comment .. Stating sexual orientation has anything to do with sex or gender .. Like total duh! Obvious some people are complete idiots and will never change till they find out someone in there family actually commuted suicide from being fed up with struggling to be “what” everyone perceives that they should be. …

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:45pm
  65. Keep in mind that if an MtF transsexual is being permitted to use the girls’ locker room, she’s also taking testosterone blockers – chemical castration to prevent early onset of puberty. Most transsexuals also have very low male hormone levels to begin with, especially prior to puberty. Many have brain chemistry and physiology of females, even have female bone structure. They just got barely enough testosterone sometime during gestation to produce a very tiny penis. Some do not even have testicles.

    They also lack the bio-chemistry to posture and fight the way boys normally do, and as a result, is more likely to become the victim of frequent beatings that can lead to medical complications, even hospitalizations.

    When forced to participate as a boy with boys, many MtF transsexuals, unable to get proper treatment, are more likely to commit suicide, to die young in an accident, or to be killed by homophobic males who often mistake them for homosexuals.

    As police investigate more suicides, they have discovered that as many as 1/2 of all male teen suicides are LGBT, often they have been outed, rejected by a lover, raped, or physically assaulted, often repeatedly, prior to their suicide.

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:49pm
  66. What ever happened to “minding your own business”. What concern is it to you what a person has between their legs? Why can’t we all just see some people are miserable and help them find happiness?

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:49pm
  67. Wow Debbie! That was my next point… Diagnosed as GID, the Hormones have major effect on a persons body! .. For M2F : WE take powerful T-Blockers that prevent/block ALL testosterone.. and have or have had “orchie” that’s surgery removing the testicles. And WE take estrogen for femininity … Vise versa for F2M .. They take testosterone to broaden there masculinity and get hysterectomies to remove the estrogen …

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:55pm
  68. They’re right. I really wanted to take the time, effort and money involved not to mention the emotional stress and damage caused by transitioning. The disowning of my father, the loss of most if not all my friends, the countless verbal assaults against people like me spewed forth on the internet and the countless more spewed out on the street. All that hurtful, ill-mannered mockery. The past two years of therapy (all out of pocket). The pains and fears of a changing body, the several emergency room visits I have had so far because I was afraid I may have had a blood clot in my legs. The trips to the doctor who feels me up, checks off a list and sends me on my way after giving me my meds. The whole visit which isn’t even paid by my insurance (again it’s all out of pocket). The emotional ups and downs, the death of my entire sex-drive to the point I don’t really have any need for sex anymore. Not to mention there’s always the threat overhead of that day someone will take such offense with my being, they will end my life. Never knowing who I am, that caring, creative loving person whose only crime was being a transgendered individual. All of that, just so someone like me can go into a women’s bathroom and harass them, stalk them, perhaps even rape them. Yeah, cause that makes sense. As I’ve said once before and will say it again now. I live in a county that has equal bathroom rights, not only for students but everybody as long as they present as that gender. Not once to my knowledge has there ever been a problem. This rhetoric is false, fear mongering, ruthless lies spewed as vile vitriol in order to oppress an extremely small minority. Sure, this is only about bathrooms and sports in schools now. But do we sit back nearly sixty years later and say civil rights for African-Americans was all about riding on the bus? It has to start somewhere, this is that somewhere. What these protections will offer is a launching point for more things to come. Already California now offers an easier way to change birth certificate information for transgendered individuals within the state. So it’s already beginning and these people want to take it all away? For what reason more than to spite people like myself? This opposition is not opposition. It’s hate and it needs to stop, now. Otherwise, transgendered rights may one day, slip back to the dark times. Where we still hid ourselves away, scared of the world around us. For those few who did manage to free themselves and be who they were openly, were still oppressed. Oppressed by a society that didn’t want them, forcing them into poverty. Where the only job you could get was in the sex trade. Not like today where we are afforded the opportunity to work in the same places as cisgendered people. I say never again. We are women, girls, men and boys. We weren’t born like you, but that doesn’t make us different. We are still human. We’d like it if you would treat us that way. Sorry for the long post, but this brand of shit tends to really grind my gears.

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:55pm
  69. being GAY is NOT the same as being TRANSGENDER! Again totally different!! A persons “Sexual Orientation” has absolutely NOTHING to do with “Gender”

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 9:56pm
  70. Let’s bring one step farther .. Last July 2012 I WAS GOING TO END IT ALL! Yes you read right ,, I was contemplating not attempting but total suicide!!! That means I could have been one of the 60-70% that commit suicide!!

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 10:00pm
  71. I'd love you to be part of my page or just "like it" people need to understand PTSD happens for many different traumas....................Transgender Isolation and bullying is one of them. I'm grateful you're still here!

    Replied on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 2:01am
  72. I'd love you to be part of my page or just "like it" people need to understand PTSD happens for many different traumas....................Transgender Isolation and bullying is one of them. I'm grateful you're still here!

    Replied on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 2:01am
  73. Had I not made mention to a friend that helped talk to me and even helped me find therapy, I would not be here today!! Why “hate” what you don’t know? All the hate keep causing those that don’t feel they have a place commit suicide!

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 10:02pm
  74. I am transgender diagnosed GID! I’ve been on HRT since Jan 4, 2013! I’m 10 months in, I’ve legally changed my name, and have been living Full-Time since last September 2012! I get called ma’am everywhere I go. I never imagined ever in my life, I’d ever be this happy! I feel complete that I am “who” I am, not “what” I am! I only hope more people get/find education. More like me can be saved if we band together!!

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 10:09pm
  75. Many that are on HRT are in the process of being eligible for GRS along with trying to come up with funds. A lot of transition is not covered by insurance and is all out of pocket! It’s not that we may or may not have the guts to… Many have the guts and are doing what we must by the guidelines for transition. If you’re willing to find everyone’s surgery then start coughing up the $20-$30,000 it takes to have the GRS!

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 10:23pm
  76. Hey buz I think youre kind of an ass with respect :p

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 10:23pm
  77. … You can start with me!! I’ll gladly take your $30,000 and get this “whatever” cut off!!!

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 10:24pm
  78. You have to have proper medical papers to get the state to change the gender!! The court can’t just change anything without the letters. If found that you lied or have fraud the court, you can be penalized even be put into prison! .. That “woman” must’ve forged doctor forms to get one by the court!

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 10:28pm
  79. There’s another uneducated idiot!

    Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 at 10:29pm
  80. Schools still have shower rooms?! Even when I was in high school we had no reason to use a shower unless you played a sport, We changed out for gym, but a lot of the girls used the stalls. Hmm guess Im a little out of the loop on this one. I think if when I was 16/15 I would have been uncomfortable seeing not a transgendered person, but genitalia opposite of mine. But that’s just me

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 1:04am
  81. I whole heartedly believe that people should be allowed to live as their desired gender, even as a minor. I think parents/schools should be charged with child abuse for denying their child that right, whether they be 3 or 13. Even if it is just a passing phase, an individual has the right to express themselves. Speaking from personal experience, I remember how awkward it was changing for gym. Even though I didn’t associate with most of the girls in my gym class, even though almost no one in school knew I was queer cuz I kept to myself. I always made sure to get a locker in the far back isle, away from most, and to keep my eyes determinedly on the floor. I FELT like a perv knowing that I was attracted to the shy girl who also hid in the back isle, and that if I looked up, it was like I was peeping, even though she knew I was there. We never spoke to eachother because I was so bent on avoiding looking at her and getting the hell out of that nightmare every day. We could have at least been friends, but I was too uncomfortable, knowing I was queer in the girl’s locker room. I’m sure the boy’s locker room would have held its own awkwardness, but I least I’d have had friends in there. Guys have always looked at me like a piece of meat anyways (as a girl). At least it would have been clear that I really wasn’t interested. Maybe I would have had a better chance finding a girlfriend and my life wouldn’t have turned out quite so crazy and complicated.
    I know it’s about nudity, but from every tv show I’ve ever seen, public showering in school makes everyone uncomfortable… How about private shower stalls in the locker room with enough room to change? How about doing away with the practice all together? sweat is neither corrosive nor toxic. Waiting till you get home will not kill you… We need an exorcism ASAP for this nasty ghost so that we can address real problems with real solutions.

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 1:14am
  82. idjits!

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 1:31am
  83. idjits!

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 1:31am
  84. all shower rooms should have dividers so that all children can remain modest, and have privacy, but schools will always undermine our parenting, this is no different.

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 1:51am
  85. all shower rooms should have dividers so that all children can remain modest, and have privacy, but schools will always undermine our parenting, this is no different.

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 1:51am
  86. Now NOM is regulating school showers? Gotta bitch about something when you lost the marriage debate!

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 2:05am
  87. Now NOM is regulating school showers? Gotta bitch about something when you lost the marriage debate!

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 2:05am
  88. Will someone arrest NOM already?

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 2:16am
  89. https://twitter.com/EmmaAlmighty Very top Tweet.

    Replied on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 3:06am
  90. I just started on there and cannot get any followers. :/

    Replied on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 3:06am
  91. Will someone arrest NOM already?

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 2:16am
  92. Nothing gets my blood pressure going like their facebook page. Stupidity always welcomes stupidity.

    Replied on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 3:04am
  93. I gave them a lovely comment today on Twitter.

    Replied on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 3:05am
  94. I wanna see it! They get SO defensive!

    Replied on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 3:05am
  95. https://twitter.com/EmmaAlmighty Very top Tweet.

    Replied on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 3:06am
  96. I just started on there and cannot get any followers. :/

    Replied on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 3:06am
  97. I didn’t expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition.

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 3:03am
  98. This is bullshit. If its a transgender that is not a boy it is a girl! People are so stupid.

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 3:06am
  99. It? Seriously?

    Replied on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 6:51pm
  100. This is bullshit. If its a transgender that is not a boy it is a girl! People are so stupid.

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 3:06am
  101. wow. just wow

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 3:13am
  102. wow. just wow

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 3:13am
  103. There is no low NOM would not sinkere

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 3:24am
  104. calling all identifying as boys, you should be pissed about this. They are assuming you are all rapists, no matter who you are, how you identify or if you have a soul. These same people stand between you and being a respected single dad. They stand between you and babysitting younger relatives. That feeling, of being watched and criticized for doing nothing, imagine that all the time and you’ll get some sliver of being trans. Stand up people and remember how shitty it is to be discriminated against. Equality is the fight of every human being alive.

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 7:03am
  105. trans guys versus non trans guys- night and day. I wouldn’t want guys in bathrm/shower w/me. A tranny is a diff matter. For on thingit wld likely be just one or two, not a gang of them. LETS REMEMBER, there are GRAY areas. All or nothing/black n white laws, answers, solutions are lame and way too common

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 7:56am
  106. tools

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 3:17pm
  107. A right shower of fucking wasters

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 3:18pm
  108. Why must they make everything perverse? I mean seriously, how about a little compassion and understanding….

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 3:20pm
  109. Im ok with this surprisingly

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 3:26pm
  110. Ok with what?

    Replied on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 6:50pm
  111. i feel that it should be ok that trans could use the restrooms but im not so sure about showering i guess it depnds on the age of the ppl in question cuz i wouldnt want my young child boy/girl subject to seeing the other sex naked until they r ready there is no need for a 12 yr old girl to see a penis or vise versa now if we r talking college who the hell cares shower away

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 5:40pm
  112. Prop 8…be gone..before somebody drops a house on you!!!

    Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 10:32pm