Fred Luter, the president of the Southern Baptist Convention, appeared last week on TruNews with Rick Wiles, the Religious Right talk show host who is convinced President Obama is literally a demon.
After Wiles shared with Luter his theory that gay rights activists are to blame for North Korea’s threats to launch a nuclear strike against the US, Luter explained that while he is “not that strong in prophecy” he would not be surprised that there might be a connection.
“I would not be surprised that at the time when we are debating same-sex marriage, at a time when we are debating whether or not we should have gays leading the Boy Scout movement, I don’t think it’s just a coincidence that we have a mad man in Asia who is saying some of the things that he’s saying,” Luter said.
Wiles: You know at precisely the same time the Supreme Court is hearing these arguments on same-sex marriage in Asia a crazy man in possession of nuclear weapons, Kim Jong-un, is openly saying: I have ordered our military to position our rockets on US targets in Hawaii, Japan, Guam and the mainland of the United States. He has gone into a full state of war this week. I don’t know, Pastor Luter, I don’t know if anybody is — I know they’re not — they’re just not putting this together. You got this happening over here and you got this happening over here: could the two be connected? Could our slide into immorality be what is unleashing this mad man over here in Asia to punish us?
Luter: It could be a possibility, I’m not that strong in prophecy but I would not be surprised that there’s not a connection there simply because of the fact we’ve seen it happen in scripture before. I would not be surprised that at the time when we are debating same-sex marriage, at a time when we are debating whether or not we should have gays leading the Boy Scout movement, I don’t think it’s just a coincidence that we have a mad man in Asia who is saying some of the things that he’s saying.
Indeed, Wiles started the program by warning that the US is being “transformed into a socialist, homosexual, anti-God, anti-biblical morality cesspool” and will commit “national suicide” if the Supreme Court rules “that homosexuals can marry.”
I have to admit I’m at a loss to understand the complacency and apathy of tens of millions of American Christians who are standing by, twiddling their thumbs while their nation is transformed into a socialist, homosexual, anti-God, anti-biblical morality cesspool. I fear that the moral decay has accelerated and worsened to such a degree that it is now impossible to halt the decline without a major catastrophe crippling the nation.
The Bible is full of examples to what happens to a nation that goes into idolatry and witchcraft and sexual sin, it always ends in disaster, always. So why aren’t we telling the American people that if you allow the Supreme Court to rule that homosexuals can marry, you have just committed national suicide. Why isn’t anybody standing up?
Luter told Wiles that he agreed with his analysis that the US may end up being “destroyed” like Sodom and Gomorrah over same-sex marriage.
Wiles: If the Supreme Court rules that same-sex marriage is a constitutional right, what are the ramifications for this nation? Luter: Oh man I would hate to think of it. You talked about Sodom and Gomorrah in your introduction and I can just see that happening man, it would be like America is pointing its finger at God and saying: ‘I know what your word says God, I know what the scripture says but we want to be our own king, we want to do things our own way.’ The last time a nation did that they were destroyed, Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed. I just see things getting consistently worse in America because of our decisions that we’ve made to just get farther and farther away from God and God’s word.
Wiles: Do you think the average evangelical Christian in America comprehends the spiritual ramifications of this country endorsing same-sex marriage, do you think people sitting in the pews of churches, are they aware that once we go down that road….
Luter: I don’t think so. I don’t think they are Rick because I think if they were we’d have more of us standing against it, shouting out and saying that enough is enough. I don’t think they are aware, I don’t think that they are aware of what the consequences of these decisions and choices can be to our nation and to our families and to our churches.
After Wiles said that ten million Christians should stop going to work in order to protest the nation’s alleged immorality, Luter said that the country needs “about ten million Rick Wileses” to “start revival in America.”
Wiles: The country, the economic system would be on the verge of collapse if ten million productive Christians — guess who goes to work every day, the Christians; guess who pays their taxes, the Christians — if ten million productive Christians simply said ‘we’re going to sit things out until this craziness stops,’ I think it would be over in a couple days.
Luter: That would be powerful, that would be a phenomenal statement to America and I think also to the world. The challenge would be getting those ten million Christians together to make it happen.
Wiles: Apparently they don’t believe the Gospel enough.
Luter: I agree, we need about ten million Rick Wileses in the world, it would be radical.
Wiles: That would be a scary thought.
Luter: I think it would start revival in America, I really do.