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Ill. hate group leader: ‘There are no round triangles, and no gay marriages’

Friday, December 28, 2012

Just as there are “no round triangles,” there are “no gay marriages.”

So says David E. Smith, executive director of the Illinois Family Institute, the anti-gay hate group working to defeat efforts to legalize same-sex marriage in Illinois.

David E. Smith

Smith told NBC News in Chicago that same-sex marriage shouldn’t — and won’t — pass during the General Assembly’s lame duck session next month.

The word “marriage” itself linguistically means something. No one’s going around trying to redefine triangles as round. There are no round triangles. There are no gay marriages. There’s going to have to be a distinction between marriages that are gay marriages, or genderless, you might say, and those that are actually man and woman who produce children: procreative.

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(Gays) don’t have the right to go around and demand that we redefine a historical institution that has been understood for thousands of years as the union of one man and one woman.

Smith said he feels deceived by marriage equality advocates who “promised” two years ago that civil unions were “as far as we’re going to go.”

Sponsors of the bill to legalize same-sex marriage in Illinois say they are close to securing enough support to bring the bill up for vote during the legislature’s lame duck session, beginning Jan. 2.

The bill needs at least 60 votes in the House and 30 votes in the Senate before moving to Gov. Pat Quinn’s desk. Quinn indicated he will sign the bill into law and has also urged lawmakers to vote in favor of it.

The Illinois Family Institute has been designated an anti-gay hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

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  1. what a sad little person

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 10:19am
  2. I agree with Duane/no round triangles?

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 10:20am
  3. Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 10:21am
  4. I think there are round triangles in New York.

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 10:21am
  5. and there are no hate group leaders that aren’t fat white men…

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 10:24am
  6. The man has a point and it’s his head.

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 10:27am
  7. He know some geometry, good for him. Now where exactly is his argument?

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 10:28am
  8. We don’t have rights? Wow! And who said anything about redefining it. My wife and I have been legally married in California for four years now. We’re not running around telling straight couples their marriages are not valid. Geez! Oh, and uh…Smith must not be very good at Math, because there are a lot of triangles within a circle. :P

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 10:29am
  9. Civil Unions do not give the same rights as a heterosexual married couple. Civil Unions are still 2nd class citizenship. So we will keep fighting for equality bud…

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 10:33am
  10. There actually are round triangles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuleaux_triangle :p

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 10:35am
  11. What – another idiot on the scene? Isn’t there a pest spray out there for idiots – since they have become eternal pests? LOL!

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 10:38am
  12. he look like klan member

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 10:39am
  13. Here’s another one who drank the “marriage defined for thousands of years as one man/one woman” kool-aid. We’ve been through the multiple marriages, arranged marriages, etc. not mention “childless” marriages and so on. Illinois legislators — avoid this idiotic mess of talking points and vote for equality.

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 10:43am
  14. And here I thought marriage was a life long commitment of two people who love each other… seems to me Smith is the one trying to redefine it as a mere baby making operation.

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 10:48am
  15. David E. Smith is a closet case of the first order. Shakespeare put it more succinctly, “Me thinks he doth protest too much.” Frederick A Earle MD PhD, Las Vegas.

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 10:51am
  16. Well, I would disagree that Civil Partnerships are second class to Civil Marriages. In fact the only noticeable differences under English and Welsh law is that a male partner cannot take on the title of a Lord and that they cannot use any religious symbols, music or rites within the ceremony. As an atheist with no links to the British Aristocracy I am down with that. I quite like having a different title and not having to emulate straight people… How common! ;op

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 10:51am
  17. Ka-ching…there is $$$ in hating people. Most of these people couldn’t care less about gays having equality, but it feeds their wallets to promote inequality and worse… Same with many mega-churches…ka-ching …thank you gays for pulling our congregations together to hate you and feed us $$ !!

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 10:55am
  18. one word…idiot!!!

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 11:05am
  19. Get this idiot out of my state! Don’t worry DOMA will get struck down :)!

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 11:34am
  20. Reuleaux triangles anyone?

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 11:34am
  21. And he doesn’t have the right to tell me how to live and who to love. He needs to worry about that big box of cookies he looks like he ate. Fatty! He looks gay, typically the ones who make a big deal of things are the ones who have the most to hide. Closet case

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 12:58pm
  22. I am a friend, and I ask friends of friends to write something on our “friend’s” Hobby Lobby FB page. Ask your friends. Let’s get this party started. Our world is a rainbow world!

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 1:15pm
  23. As usual, no one can accuse David Smith of getting the facts straight. First, as one of the lead organizers in the effort to pass the civil union bill I always made clear in my talks, interviews and conversations that we are seeking marriage equality. Civil Unions was a mere stepping stone to get full equality in Illinois. Smith and his IFI would ‘warn’ legislators that ‘what they really want is marriage’. My response then and my response now is the same – you are damn right! Will the bill come up in the lame-duck session? Maybe and maybe not. But, the reality is not if marriage equality will come to Illinois but simply when equal marriage will come to Illinois. Most fair-minded people do not buy the shrill ‘the sky is falling’, ‘protect our children’, ‘the homos are out to redefine and ruin everything’ rants of the IFI and its ilk. Most Illinoisans want their families and their neighbors to be treated fairly and, frankly, to be left alone. IFI and others tried to stop non-discrimination legislation in our legislature and at least 14 cities in Illinois. They failed. IFI tried to stop hate-crimes enhancement. They failed. IFI tried to stop civil unions. They failed. See a pattern here? They are on the wrong side of history and they are on the wrong side of what is fair, right and just.
    Either Smith and his ilk are totally ignorant (uninformed) or they are plain liars. I welcome their filth. It is so easy to dispute and fair minded people see right through them. Off and running to victory! Again.

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 2:11pm
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    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 3:11pm
  25. Even if the marriage ceremony isn’t gay, the reception should always be gay indeed!

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 3:35pm
  26. Laughing out loud

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 4:05pm
  27. fuck you david

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 4:13pm
  28. What a douche bag…

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 4:30pm
  29. think I’ve seen that david smith creep trolling mens rooms

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 4:31pm
  30. all i can say is prepare for the impossible buddy

    Posted on Friday, December 28, 2012 at 11:41pm
  31. Round! Square! Triangle! We are all people! Love everyone!

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 10:06am
  32. You need to lose your place and you organization. No homophobia’s in 2013. I say yes to gay, lesbian and transgendered marriages i the United States.

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 3:33pm
  33. And this guy calls himself an American? Bigot is more like it.

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 3:35pm
  34. LOL @ Smith – ya, buddy … there are “no Gay marriages” – tell the rest of the world that, and a growing part of the USA. Asshat.

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 3:36pm
  35. round….triangles? how is that related, again…?

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 3:36pm
  36. he look like a klan memeber

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 3:38pm
  37. Gee, their arguments get more powerful and convincing by the moment, don’t they? Don’t they have institutions in Illinois for people with IQs this low? 3:)

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 3:42pm
  38. As they say “If you don’t sell your daughter for 3 goats and a cow, marriage has already been re-defined.” And the argument that men and women are allowed to marry because they can produce children is ridiculous. Is he going to ban marriages between old people, or infertile male/female couples?

    Mercifully we’re moving forward. I’m confident in my lifetime gay marriage will be legal everywhere in the U.S.A.

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 3:45pm
  39. Dumbass cracker.

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 3:45pm
  40. This big boy is going to be mad when the US Supreme Court legalizes same-sex marriage nationwide come June.

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 3:48pm
  41. Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 3:51pm
  42. The dude is wrong on history. He thinks marriage has been between one man and one woman for “thousands of years.” And he thinks marriage must be “procreative.” Child needs to go to school. Childless straight couples are no less married than unions with multiple offspring. One finds all sorts of marriages when one looks.

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 3:52pm
  43. And there are no square circles but there are narrow minded idiots.

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 3:53pm
  44. He obviously doesn’t know any married gay couples. They are as married as any straight couples. Simply, married. Committed, sharing life with all its joys and pains.

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 3:53pm
  45. This Porker needs to STFU. He has NO clue what the hell he is taking about.

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 3:54pm
  46. Oh please just shut the ‘F’ up already.

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 3:58pm
  47. Not for him! He’s too late in Maine~~~ 2013 Gay Marriages here!

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 4:06pm
  48. Why can’t gun violence visit assholes like this!?!? No apologies!!!

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 4:11pm
  49. Ever so slowly we move closer to equality…or do we? As a world community, we have so very far to go thanks to greed driven ..”lets bash the gays” poisonous kool aid distributors. Case in point- Uganda. Should it not be a harsh criminal offense for an American to “incite and encourage” hatred, injury and death to minorities in other countries..??

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 4:12pm
  50. Next argument “There are no red blues, there are no reptile elephants, there are no homosexual homophobes.. wait..” Its always the ones that protest too much against something that make you wonder..

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 4:20pm
  51. Idiot. I agree that there should be institutions for those who have such a low IQ. And there should also be an institution for bigots.

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 5:13pm
  52. Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 5:17pm
  53. Do these people realize how dumb they sound?

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 5:27pm
  54. Pasty closet case.

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 7:23pm
  55. STFU Fatty Patty David Smith……and get a life!

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 7:47pm
  56. Gestapo face.

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 7:47pm
  57. All of you are fags

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 8:19pm
  58. Standard policy of what u don’t know you want to eliminate.
    Last I knew this philosophy destroys more civilizations than it saves.

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 9:26pm
  59. Not the marriage the benefits.

    Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 at 10:08pm