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NOM’s Brian Brown calls out Dan Savage: ‘You name the time and place’

Savage: 'You're on, motherfucker'
Saturday, May 5, 2012

National Organization for Marriage President Brian Brown has challenged LGBT activist and “It Gets Better” founder Dan Savage to a duel — or, a debate, at least — and Savage has accepted.

Dan Savage (left) and Brian Brown.

Brown is outraged over a speech Savage delivered last month to a group of high school student journalists, where Savage called “bullshit” on those parts of the Bible that throughout history been used by “Christians” to justify the Holocaust, condone slavery, oppress women, and victimize gay people.

In protest, a number of students walked out on Savage’s speech.

In a post on NOM’s website, Brown said, “He has refused to apologize for any of it, except for directly cursing at the teens who left. As a father of seven, watching it makes my blood boil.”

Now, Brown has a challenge:

Let me lay down a public challenge to Dan Savage right here and now: You want to savage the Bible? Christian morality? Traditional marriage? Pope Benedict? I’m here, you name the time and the place and let’s see what a big man you are in a debate with someone who can talk back. It’s easy to make high-school girls cry by picking on them. Let’s pick on someone our own size!

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You will find out out how venal and ridiculous your views of these things are if you dare to accept a challenge.

To no one’s surprise, Savage has accepted the offer.

In a post of his blog at The Stranger, under the headline, “Confidential to NOM’s Brian Brown: You’re On, Motherfucker,” Savage wrote:

I will name the time and the place, per your offer, as soon as possible. Looking forward to it, NOMnuts.

No response yet from Brown.

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75 more reader comments:

  1. Oooo…if it happens, it oughta be good.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 3:51pm
  2. really amazing the ANGER this man Brown has look @ the face the grimaces..he is a HATEFUL evil man and represents equally nasty people

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 3:51pm
  3. I think he should have refused the debate for two reasons:

    1) Brian Brown is a vicious motherfucker with whom rational discussion is useless.

    2) Debating him implies that LGBT rights can and should be debated.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 3:51pm
  4. and I be like ‘bark back alley, bitch’

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 3:52pm
  5. agreed. we don’t need to debate this d bag … keep is little shitty fairy tales for his sheep … the rest of us should be able to live our lives the way we choose without government inequality

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 3:53pm
  6. I’d pay to watch that!

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 3:53pm
  7. “You name the time and the place” for a hatefuck?

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 3:54pm
  8. OMG… I hope they televise, this is gonna be a hot mess. !! Go get him Mr. Savage.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 3:54pm
  9. Asshole….

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 3:54pm
  10. Ooh, the little douche is mad because Dan Savage exposed their little book. Hesomad <3

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 3:55pm
  11. Dan Savage will mop up the floor with him. He is the more intelligent of the two, with reason as opposed to vitroil.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 3:55pm
  12. This guy needs to get over himself. I mean it’s the 21st centuray, seperation of church and state are suppose to exist, but in reality I don’t think they do if Abortion and Gay marriage are always up for grabs for people to vote on, Judge, and demean others for choices, when Choice, Freedom, as well as equality is what this country is suppose to be about. I always say if you hate the sin and not the sinner go ahead and hate it, but it sure as hell is not your right to take away the rights of the American People, because the LGBT community are People!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 3:56pm
  13. And he be like ‘pick a dark back alley, bitch’ =p

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 3:56pm
  14. LOL! NOMnuts! I’m going to have to start using that.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 3:57pm
  15. Love to see Savage wipe the floor with tha fat fuck. He’d love it any way (Brown). Any that fixated on other’s sex lives is obviously in need of long term care.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 3:58pm
  16. ohh…this is going to be EPIC.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 3:58pm
  17. Dan Savage will kick Brian Brown’s ass! I want to see this!!!!

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:02pm
  18. Seriously. Why are these people so obsessed with what other people do in the bedroom? I mean, seriously, they are infatuated with our love lives. What’s up with that?

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:03pm
  19. Apparently they are not only Ethics and Morally challenged, they are Media Attention Challenged too. Although I suppose this is better than them going back to beating their wives and sleeping with their babysitters.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:03pm
  20. whats next is bar codes gps tracking chips and death camps oh wait that was nazi germany not a america well looks like theres a new nazi party and the gays are the jews

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:06pm
  21. And when Savage wipes the floor with this hateful moron, Brown is gonna scream and yell about how the awful faggot bullied him and then use it for fundraising….

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:07pm
  22. Brian brown: “You, me, right here, right now! Uh… not in that context.”

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:08pm
  23. Now this would be awesome to see!

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:08pm
  24. Standing behind you Dan! No apology required! Get in there and give it to him!

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:08pm
  25. The more quotes I see from Brian Brown, the more convinced I am, that he is a total jerk. I hate him. Pure and simple.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:10pm
  26. Go for it. These jackasses can’t withstand logical analysis. As the Pro 8 trial showed, their arguments just collapse.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:11pm
  27. Dan accepted the challenge on Twitter!

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:11pm
  28. and of course NOM’s history in preventing divource is PERFECT….some thingto emulate…NOT!!

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:12pm
  29. Debating these people is moronic not only does it give credence that the Bible should have any meaning in rules for society but it just gives these creeps of NOM credability.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:13pm
  30. make him squeal like the str8 pig he is!!

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:13pm
  31. i think that they just need to sit down and find a middle ground where the mojority of people can be happy. i know we cant please everyone, but pleasing the majority is best. there has to be a way that both LGBTQ couples and straight couples can both share the joys of marriage.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:15pm
  32. Yes, it’s call having everyone treated equally under the law. Everyone should have marriage rights….If my marriage is a threat to a straight couple, that straight couple has a problem.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:18pm
  33. Unfortunately, Kara, Brown’s concept of “compromise” would involve concentration camps.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:18pm
  34. Douchebags typically dont deserve a response!

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:19pm
  35. Wow, Savage. Way to drop the ball. I’m a defender of gay rights, but I’m not about to step on someone else’s religion. Whether or not certain people will use a religious justification does not grant you permission to insult and offend those who follow that religion. It certainly doesn’t give you the right to spout curse words at adolescents for rightfully disagreeing with you. Talk about self-righteous. I hope Brown puts that man in his place.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:20pm
  36. I love Dan Savage. I hate NOM. These guys must’ve not realized that their stereotype of gay men being wimps and cowards is just that — a stereotype, and false. Dan Savage isn’t afraid of this knuckledragger. And Troy, the mainstream media has already given the regressives all the credibility they can ever possibly achieve. Debating them in public doesn’t give them more credibility, it destroys their credibility by drawing attention to the hollowness of their arguments. Anyway what will actually happen is this Brian Brown Clown will show up, physically take a swing at Savage, and then die of a heart attack, because he has anger management issues, and just look at him, his meat-intake to exercise ratio is way outta whack.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:28pm
  37. Good for you Mr Savage…now ‘savage that fracker’ ,sadly that freak might enjoy it.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:30pm
  38. haha dan savage is awesome! looking forward to him kicking this morons ass! :)

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:33pm
  39. Big man small penis

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:34pm
  40. Bring it on! I want to see that. Dan will use him as a dishrag and toss him away! Lol

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:35pm
  41. I am a staunch supporter of LBGTQ rights and not a supporter of NOM, but these comments I am reading are hateful, crass, and nasty. I understand the real feeling against those that have maligned us, but it is disturbing to see that the hate-filled rhetoric is as heavy on the LBGTQ side as the NOMs. Disappointing.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:36pm
  42. I love you Dan Savage and I can’t for this debate. Brian’s bigoted ass will be served to him on a sterling silver platter!

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:36pm
  43. Dan Savage can totally wear heels better. Sorry Mr. Brown

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:37pm
  44. Dan would kick the shit out of him!!!

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:40pm
  45. I’d LOVE to see this

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:41pm
  46. I would walk 50 miles barefoot over broken glass to see that.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:43pm
  47. How does Savage get any work done? After reading this, then checking Twitter and ending up on a Fox Radio report about Savage, there was too much to point and laugh at.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:45pm
  48. In case you don’t have time to google it, here’s an interesting article on the subject of Savage’s “offensive” comments. http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/05/03/the_flip_out_over_dan_savage_is_part_of_a_larger_agenda_to_silence_pro_gay_discourse_.html

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:48pm
  49. it won’t be a “debate”… Dan Brown will just shout the usual cliche ridden rant. No respect for the pain and disrespect gay people experience daily. Just more garbage about scripture.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:52pm
  50. For those whose delicate sensibilities are offended by Dan Savage’s language, I would remind you that LGBT teen suicides have been spiking through the roof everywhere that NOM has been most active in the past three years. And so, with Dan Savage, I say to Brian Brown (of whose four children I hope none is LGBT): “Fuck you.”

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 4:54pm
  51. Pride is “puffing” him.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 5:01pm
  52. Dan Savage would kick his ass at debating!!!

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 5:04pm
  53. Dan’s gonna rip this moron a new one!!

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 5:08pm
  54. hell to the yes. can I buy my ticket now?

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 5:20pm
  55. Even the MOST logical statements won’t pass though the clouds of the self-rightous and self-diluted. Save you breath Dan tlak to people you can help.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 5:51pm
  56. he will leave the so called debate looking like the idiot he is

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 6:08pm
  57. Let dan bring a progay theoligean to prove once and for all what a saducee that NOM pharisee really is. i bet any money that if christ was getting crucified tomorrow the whole lot of NOM would be screaming crucify him

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 6:28pm
  58. and brian has just fallen into Dan’s trap

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 6:42pm
  59. Brian fisher if you wont listen to all the prophets of the bible you will remain as your pharisee ancestors. i pray for you to be exorcised of the phariseean, and saducean spirits that rot your soul in the name of our lord Jesus Christ.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 6:43pm
  60. pity a bunch of christians got butt hurt over some comments made by Dan.. build a bridge and get over it fools.. you have been treating us worse for centuries. so fuck the christians, fuck religion and those who believe in the myth

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 6:46pm
  61. Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 6:47pm
  62. I will pray for your soul john.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 6:57pm
  63. oOoOoOo show down, what lunatics—lunatics meaning Brian Brown!!!

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 6:59pm
  64. This should be on paypervew

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 7:16pm
  65. Rob, so you believe in an omnipotent, omniscient being that created the world… only to hate most of it? If that is so, then he really make s alot of mistakes – yet you still worship him / it?

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 7:23pm
  66. Brian Brown, just give it up. You’re going to lose no matter what you do.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 7:51pm
  67. It would serve Dan Savage well to approach this debate with a cool head. Losing his temper or using profanity & slander will only undermine his cause.. it will only breed more hostility from those who are perpetuating it. If this is a debate about morals based on Biblical theology, then let Dan keep in mind the most important principle as commanded by Christ, to “love one another”, as unlikely as that may sound. When you are grounded in faith of your beliefs, there is no need to attack others, but only to speak the truth. He should inspire support & enlightenment, not more violence. Of course, the spectators will want a bloodbath, but what should we expect from the masses? He must try to rise above the standards of morally conflicted extremists who rage in the name of God.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 8:10pm
  68. Yes john i believe in God who so loved everybody who ever lived that he gave his only son up to death to pay for their sins if they only choose to believe and accept the gift of salvation. it isnt God who hates it is falloble corruptable men who choose to hate in the cover of religion. john your anger is justified yet wrongly directed. i will continue to pray for you to accept jesus gift to you

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 8:19pm
  69. John M if you have read both the Old & New Testaments, you would know that the “fruits of Christianity” are by themselves, very small… and is even defined as much in the New Testament… and if you are willing to write off a message based on its messengers, then you don’t have a grasp on the meaning of its core & how to differentiate it from the people who malign it, even in the name of God… in essence, you believe you are what they accuse you to be, without having investigated the truth for yourself….

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 8:47pm
  70. They should combine the event with Ru Paul’s Drag Race! :-{P}

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 10:44pm
  71. My only reaction to this is: Meh. Its not worth arguing with some people. Doing so just validates them. I doubt this “debate” will be anything worth watching and it’ll ultimately degrade down to 2 grown men reverting to school children calling each other “poopiehead”.

    Posted on Saturday, May 5, 2012 at 11:12pm
  72. Mr Brown, you already lost!

    Posted on Sunday, May 6, 2012 at 2:33am
  73. Good. I hope Savage puts that asshole’s balls in a box and ships them to him.

    Posted on Sunday, May 6, 2012 at 6:27am
  74. fkn loser. count me in!

    Posted on Sunday, May 6, 2012 at 7:20am
  75. hE NEEDS TO COME OUT OF THE CLOSET THAT JACKASS WHITE peice OF CRAP NEO NAZI.

    Posted on Sunday, May 6, 2012 at 7:29am