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According to Tuesday’s issue of North Carolina’s Charlotte Observer, one of the proponents of the upcoming referendum to outlaw marriage equality in the state, Rev. Mark Harris, the head of the state’s Baptist Convention, wants a “civil debate” over the issue:
“But I hope we can express our positions – keep the conversation to the facts and our principles – and do it in a civil way,” Harris, 45, said. “It doesn’t mean I’m going to change someone else’s position or they’re going to change mine. “But in America, we all ought to be able to express ourselves without things getting out of hand.”
Now generally when those against marriage equality claim that they want a “civil debate,” the lgbtq community and our allies bristle because we know that in the past when these folks call for “calm” and “rationality,” it’s usually before they pull out all sorts of sundry claims about the gay community.
But I believe Harris when he says he wants a civil debate. However, I also believe that this issue has gone way past out of hand and a perfect example of this is the image below:
According to Jeremy Hooper of Goodasyou.org:
This is the actual graphic that the North Carolina Family Policy Council, the leading anti-equality group in the Tar Heel State, is running in its quarterly publication in order to scare citizens into voting for the state’s proposed constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.
Maybe it’s just me, but civil debates on marriage equality don’t necessarily encompass images of an assassin targeting newlyweds.
If Rev. Harris truly wants a rational and civil discussion on the issue, he needs to have a serious talk with his allies.
Editor’s note – The image can be clearly seen at this link on page. 13.
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How exactly does my marriage affect any ones else marriage? People trying to put themselves in other peoples business.
This is ridiculous…instead of them bashing gay marriage, they should bash divorces…#ffs!
There clearly are ignorant rubes in America who don’t understand what CIVIL RIGHTs are or mean. Mr. Harris is obviously one of the ignorant masses too lazy to read a copy of the US Constitution in Wikipedial, especially the parts about freedom of assembly, the 9th Amendment, and that pesky clause about all states having to honor all contracts made in other states (marriage contracts too), and that pesky equality statement in the 14th Amendment. JACKASSES DON’T DESERVE CIVIL DISCOURSE.
There clearly are ignorant rubes in America who don’t understand what CIVIL RIGHTs are or mean. Mr. Harris is obviously one of the ignorant masses too lazy to read a copy of the US Constitution in Wikipedia, especially the parts about freedom of assembly, the 9th Amendment, and that pesky clause about all states having to honor all contracts made in other states (marriage contracts too), and that pesky equality statement in the 14th Amendment. IGNORANT JACKASSES DON’T DESERVE CIVIL DISCOURSE.
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how does gay marriage effect straight marriage? if you don’t like gay marriages then don’t have a gay marriage ceremony!
Oh crap, another pathetic wingnut using a crosshair to justify their violent methods, they’ll never learn.
Alex Piotrowski, that’s exactly the point of the Proposition 8 trial, no ones marriage affects anyone else’s marriage and therefore marriage rigihts belong to everyone, regardless of gender pairings.
Ignorant all the way round. Gays have as much right to marry as straight people. Gay or straight whatever, you are born that way.
Typical behavior of the non-Christian Reich Wing. I wonder what Mr. (I refuse to call him a “Pastor”) Harris’s sins are. Bet we could list them on quite a few sheets of newsprint! Loser…
Seriously? It’s almost 2012, they need to get with the program.
Tch, ignorant rednecks.
maybe someone needs to remind the church that it USED to officially sanction AND perform same sex marriages……http://www.christianity-revealed.com/cr/files/whensamesexmarriagewasachristianrite.html
I wonder Mr. (I REFUSE to call him a ‘pastor’) Harris’s sins are? We could probably list on them several sheets of newsprint…loser
I’m 15 years old and openly lesbian the part I never will get is why r we bashed so hard? I staind for every right we have. I’ll never understand ignorance.
Doesn’t this picture depict a violent picture?isn’t that encouraging violence against gays and lesbians,which can also lead to a hate crime?i mean,that is what I got from it..
It’s because people are too scared to step out of their close-minded homophobic bubbles, Bry.
@sam, I’m really tired of it ppl need to stop bashing so hard we aren’t hurting anybody by being who we r. Kids kill themselves all the time because of this I think that should be the wake up call
I totally agree Samantha,this was a reason I was intimidated to come out of the closet and announce I am lesbian,because of religious naive judgemental dingbats like him,but people use the religious card to show their fear of change,and that is the only reason why..and pastors seem to think that they are excluded from being human,which in fact they are,and they commit sins,crime etc..we are all human,and if they read the Bible as it is written,and actual be able to understand it,they would understand that God created Gays and Lesbians….ok,i am not going to get on my soapbox and rant about stupid religious naive BibleThumping people.just let them learn..
What is it with these nut jobs?
I don’t care about anyone’s marriage but my own. It’s not like we have this mindset of “Oh, let’s just go destroy all the straight marriages cuz were just a bunch of assholes”. No. It doesn’t work like that. All we want is to love and be loved, and have the same rights as our straight counterparts. NOT “special” rights, the SAME rights. Ya hear that Bachmann???? Dumb slut.
Oi…I’m in agreement with Bry, Sam and Crystal. This stuff is ridiculous, and yes, Palin-the-whack-job (yeah, I’m from Alaska, and she makes us ALL look bad) used cross-hairs, and yes, it was inappropriate, then AND now.
Further, I would LOVE to see how well these people know their bibles, because it’s clearly not as well as I know it…and I’m an atheist o.O;
Civil is as civil does…and this is not.
If this was done against any other group it would be viewed as a criminal threat. It’s ok however to do this to gays and lesbians. It makes me so angry.
God doesn’t make mistakes,people do and make hurtful choices..God created Gays and lesbians,we are made in His or Her image,whatever people prefer..Everyone is human..everyone has a right to be happy and be married to whomever they want,whether it is a man to man,woman to woman..I hope that one day,i can marry my future wife,whomever that may be,and it be legal,and shared..WE are not all the same,we are unique,created equally,we are born lesbian and or gay,we don’t just wake up and decide we are lesbian and gay..sheesh,common sense..oh well,guess some people don’t learn,and have their eyes blinded because their head is up their rear end too far,and they can’t seem to pull it out and wipe the crap out of their eyeballs to see reality..
This is a fucken disgrace!! Are u serious right now!! This is so wrong on every level!!!!
a civil debate??? really? at what time in history did the fact that i wish to marry a man become such a craven threat to the likes of you and your image of marriage??? you are hardly interested in civil debate- not with that picture. but you have the wrong people pointing a gun at the couple. it is heterosexuals who are corrupting the value of marriage daily with their spurious decisions and knee jerk divorces.you people are making a mockery of something you hold so dearly to your black little hearts. how else do you account for the divorce rates in this country? people realize that you cannot shock or intimidate people to stay married. once, just once, i would like you bastards to justify your positions with some fact-just one fact- to support your position. the truth is you can’t. marriage is a moribund institution that you keep trying to resuscitate by means of your politics and your inextricably bound religion-capitalizing on the fears of your congregants. low blow, reverend harris. i grow ever tired of arguing with miscreants such as yourself.
as long as you keep arguing, i will continue to defend the right of gay men and lesbians to enter into same sex marriages. nothing more, nothing less.
Well “love is a battlefield” just ask Pat Benatar!
WOW!!!
Seriously the way these people carry on you’d think we are trying to kidnap marriage and make it illegal for hetrosexual people to marry.
Out of all of your Presidents one of my favourites would have to be Thomas Jefferson and this is one of the reasons why….
“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.” Thomas Jefferson
Such imagery is dangerous. Too many crazies out there….
The irony is that they think they are going to “heaven”.
Christian: One who follows the teachings and examples of the Christ, whoever they feel he is, and call themselves Christian. ¿Do these people really think they are following the teachings and examples of the Christ?
» Thou shalt do no murder. ¿Moses?
» Do not be angry with your brother, call him worthless, or foolish. ¿Christ?
» To live is to suffer. We suffer needlessly when we make bad choices. We can live without needless suffering if we make better choices. Buddha.
» The best you can do is live, and enjoy the life you have. ¡Ecclesiastes!
Funny, add all the gospels, gnostic, spurious, and cannon, and Christ didn’t say a thing about the subject. He even healed a centurion’s adolescent valet, whom, tradition suggests, the centurion would have had a right, in both Greek and Roman societies, to have sensual relationships with. (I’d suggest, from the centurion’s concern, the relationship was more Greek in flavor. The Roman wouldn’t have cared less and got himself a new slave.)
I might add, in that day, about half the prostitutes were male, and 99% of the prostitutes served men only. And Christ ate with them. Or did the canonical gospels lie about that?
If Christ existed he was a gentleman and a pleasure to eat with. If I have doubts it’s because his so called disciples don’t seem to think he did. They act as if God is dead.
HE DOES NOT WANT A CIVIL DEBATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You don’t see gay people bashing and trying to outlaw straight marriages. That’s all I have to say.
The image depicts violence against heterosexuals. It’s the homosexuals who are violent. Ask anyone in California who lived through the Prop 8 vote. The conniving homosexuals vandalized businesses that took a stand for marriage, they knocked down old women holding signs in support of traditional marriage, they used covert threats, they tried to get their adversaries fired, etc. I saw it all in California. But I doubt you will get away with that crap in North Carolina because it’s a different world.
lol so happy im not a gun toting backward red neck american. its 2012 people get you act together ( try starting with basic human rights ) do on to others sound familiar ?