Filed: Sunday, August 28, 2011

Kyle Luebke

Views & Voices

Gay groups make religious individuals feel like ‘second class citizens’


Though I should be surprised, I have found myself expecting the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) to make outlandish and ridiculous statements. In today’s episode of “what did NOM say”, I give you the repeat of “NOM becomes a victim”.

Brian Brown

President of NOM, Brian Brown, writing in his weekly email to his followers, asserted that recent events have made known the real intolerance of pro-marriage equality groups, saying:

“The mask of tolerance has been cast aside. We are looking into the face of a movement which wants, in the name of equality, to take away your rights and the rights of millions of decent, loving, law-abiding Americans who “cling”—yes, I’m not afraid to call it that!—to God, common sense, and the best of America’s long traditions of respect for Judeo-Christian values.”

But he is confident that those who know “God’s truth about marriage” will not be stopped, and instead will not bow to the intimidation of the homosexual lobby.

“They” asserts Brown, talking about pro-marriage equality groups, “can only win if they can get us to accept and internalize the second-class status they propose for us. To accept our own marginalization, to be quiet, to stand down and keep our heads down. To live in fear, instead of acting, with courage, out of hope. They do not know us. They do not know the One whom we know.”

For NOM to complain that they or their followers are being treated as “second class citizens” is in a sad way, amusing. Because their religious privilege — and that is what it is, privilege, not freedom — is being threatened, they claim that the minority that they are oppressing is making them “second class.”

Is it “second class” for a State government to require that an organization which receives state funding treat everyone equally, or would it be second class when a husband cannot be at the bedside of his dying partner because the nurse doesn’t “like” their relationship. I think the answer to that is obvious.

To Brian Brown, they are the ones who are advocating for “Truth” and “Love.” They are the ones who claim to have truth that is “Not without the love of God and our neighbor in our hearts. Nor a Love which is afraid to speak truth for fear of being labeled a bigot or a hater by those who wield scorn and hatred as a weapon to suppress the truth and those who speak it.”

Maybe that is their version of “truth” and their version of “love,” but its a “truth” and a “love” built upon the backs of LGBT people the nation over.

Their words, their actions, and their alliances with certified hate groups such as the American Family Association and the Family Research Council, show that their “truth” is not based upon fact, but instead upon an animus and prejudice against gay and lesbian people themselves. Second class citizens? I think not!!

In other news, it seems as though divorce rates, as compiled by the U.S. Census Bureau, are higher in (shockingly) the Bible Belt states of the South, and (another shocker) those states with the lowest divorce rates are in the Northeast.

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Tags: American Family Association (AFA), Brian Brown, Divorce, Family Research Council (FRC), Hate Groups, Marriage Equality, National Organization for Marriage (NOM), Religion

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  1. SRSLY. Just when you think Brian Brown can’t get anymore twisted, he comes up with this.

    As always, the best defense is a good offense. Or “offensive” – however you see this.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 11:16am
  2. True this

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 11:54am
  3. Dirty perverts, all of them and hypocrites, their theoretical government is so small it fits right in our bedrooms.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 11:55am
  4. that’s a sack of bullshit if I ever saw it

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 11:55am
  5. We should set up a page called Fundies Say the Darndest Things. I’m speechless at this one….I’m too busy laughing.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 11:56am
  6. As we steadily progress towards our irreversible rightful, legal equality, we should expect more whiny, insane crap from these bigots.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 11:58am
  7. This is the same pattern of behavior that has been present in middle-and-upper class white Americans for quite some time: a dominant societal group losing some of its privilege and power in the name of equality and playing the “minority” card as a result. Unfortunately these people never developed beyond the narcissistic interest in the self that has nearly destroyed American civic society.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 11:58am
  8. Oh the humanity…. Rich, straight,white, Christian, men are being treated poorly….. boo f’ing whooo!

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 11:59am
  9. The religious right is losing this one too, as we knew it would. The latest Gallup poll has a majority of Americans approving of legal gay marriage.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:00pm
  10. I am Gay and I am a very devote Christian…I frequent Gay events and i used to go to religious events every weekend…i feel right at home at Gay events…the religious events are were i feel 2nd class

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:00pm
  11. Well, if they really want to be second class citizens, someone should build them a time machine and send them back to post-Christ Rome. You know, where being homosexual was actually a norm and people who followed that jazzy hippy, Jesus, were just weird radicals that smelt of fish.

    The truth is Christians haven’t been second class citizens in centuries. It’s the largest religion on the planet. It’s not like we’re asking them to let us screw their sons and daughters. We just want to be able to marry the people we love like they can. Maybe adopt kids, have the right to be in the room when our wives [or surrogate mothers] are giving birth to our children.

    We’re not asking to get married in their back yards. It’s simple, you don’t want a homosexual relationship, then you don’t have to have one. We’re not telling you to not be heterosexuals. It’s not like we’re shoving our ideals, our beliefs, our livestyles down your throats [not that we can say the same for you].

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:00pm
  12. yeah Mattie! What you said!

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:01pm
  13. Poor “Beat it Off” Brian,I’m sure he weeps daily from the bullying and harassment he gets from the gay community,He along with “Broom Jockey”Maggie Gallagher both deserve nothing but our scorn and reciprocation. I wish that PurpleSwathedRotund Broom Jockey would fall off and hit her head on something terribly hard,but with that ass she can’t lose her gription.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:02pm
  14. Hmmm — looks to me like religious individuals make religious individuals feel like ‘second class citizens’, and gay groups have nothing to do with it. I suppose piety can be a virtue but not if you bitch about it.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:02pm
  15. @mattie there are churches that are open to LGBT believers, at least here in florida there are some :)

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:04pm
  16. Once again, a bully who can dish it out in spades but not take even a modicum of reponse.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:05pm
  17. @ Tatianna Oh, if only more churches were like that…

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:06pm
  18. That’s messed up, does he actually expect us to feel bad for them? Wee, it didn’t work

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:07pm
  19. Ricky, stop it. I can’t stop laughing at your honesty.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:09pm
  20. *facepalm* ohhh dear. They just get more stupid don’t they?

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:09pm
  21. Absurd. Absolutely absurd.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:12pm
  22. Really? Second class citizen? Asinine. Who’s in control of your emotions? YOU are. Nobody can “make” you feel a damn thing. They’re CHOOSING to be victims, albeit pseudo-victims. And ironically, even it were true, second class citizen is a damn sight higher rank than they’re willing to accord US. Difference is, poor Fundie bless youre lil pea pickin heart, WE refuse to be YOUR victim. Go thump that bible elsewhere…you bore me.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:13pm
  23. “if it were*”

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:14pm
  24. This is just more of the same Newspeak that anti-gay bigots have been using for the last decade: claim as truth the *opposite* of what is true and repeat it over and over in the hopes that people will buy it. Unfortunately for NOM, people are catching on, and it’s not working any more. The shrillness of their shrieking is a sure sign that they know they’re on a sinking ship.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:15pm
  25. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha(gasp)hahahahahahahahahahaha…….yeah, like we deny them the right to marry?! Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh you pathetic closet case…thanks for the belly laugh!

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:22pm
  26. bout damn time, they’ve been making the LGBTQ society feel like third class citzens. they deserve a taste of their own medicine.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:30pm
  27. lol

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:31pm
  28. LOL

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:40pm
  29. They feel like second class citizens??? Wow… yet lgbt people don’t have the same rights as them… hmmm who’s kidding who here?

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:41pm
  30. Everything that he said could be turned around and said about NOM and what they are doing to the LGBT community. They are the ones trying to deny rights to a large population of people, yet still a social minority. They are the ones telling the LGBT community to conform to their way of being or stay in the closet. They are the ones committing violence against LGBT peoples. They are the ones denying the one thing that most of us, gay or straight, hope to attain in our lives – a life partner to share our hearts, minds, and souls with. These NOM and NOM-type people have confused love with lust, and in their minds – lust trumps love. No wonder there is such a high rate of divorce for their own kind in the bible belt…

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:43pm
  31. what a joke!

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:49pm
  32. Oh Da Poor Victims! Bleh! I’ve been saying for a long time…be careful, you may find yourself on the receiving end of the same discrimination you mete out so easily to others! Maybe we’re seeing a bit of that already. Every year that goes by, society is more accepting of the LGBT community, and the religious righties, who think only their morality matters, are getting desperate. Reap what you sow!

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:56pm
  33. Christians ( and I use that term loosely) have made US feel second class citizens for DECADES!!! But when the tables are turned they whine and moan and make a big deal about it! Give me a break! I have been around christians who say they love their neighbor but when that neighbor is gay or bi-sexual you see em runnin for the hills. they should practice what they preach or shut the heck up about it!

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 1:02pm
  34. He looks like a rabid..hmm…..well, I’d say dog..but i don’t want to insult dogs.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 1:06pm
  35. I’m a lesbian Christian, and it makes me so sad to see other Christians who don’t accept LGBTQIA people. In my opinion, God is Love and Love is God. That’s actually in The Bible…these bigots should familiarize themselves with the facts and *then* try to preach.

    I apologize on the behalf of my fellow Christians.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 1:07pm
  36. What a completely ignorant thing to say. Because the christian population hasn’t been the majority for the last two hundred years right!

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 1:18pm
  37. The shoe is on the other foot now, :P

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 1:28pm
  38. Bout time the tables were turned on them!

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 1:32pm
  39. What a loser

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 1:33pm
  40. guess they now know how a lot of people have felt for a long time!

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 1:36pm
  41. Slaves make Slaveholders work too hard.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 1:36pm
  42. Why is he famous? Lol… Simply for being a dumbass?

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 1:37pm
  43. They have no clue what it’s like to be treated like a second class citizen.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 1:49pm
  44. These bigots don’t consider us second class citizens, they consider us criminals at best, worthy of the death penalty and even hell according to their delusions of religious grandeur. What arrogance these people have.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 1:50pm
  45. Well he really needs to be in full control of us then. I didn’t realize not being able to control us makes him feel like a second class citizen. He’s gonna feel something after making a life long career in this, but for average religious people we do show the same respect they show to us.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 2:54pm
  46. Victimization: the next-to-last refuge of a scoundrel.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 3:41pm
  47. How ironic

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 4:09pm
  48. The victim game they try to play is almost amusing.

    Rest assured we will win in the end

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 4:29pm
  49. well isn’t that hilarious, we ARE second class citizens to almost ALL OF RELIGIONS INDIVIDUALS. hilarious. you wimpy little babies, we’ve been dealing with this hate forever, and we don’t bitch about it.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 5:01pm
  50. excuse me go talk to the hand/!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 5:58pm
  51. “second class citizens”

    That claim will have a shred of credibility the day gays and lesbians are trying to amend the U.S. Constitution to ban Christians from marrying. Until then it’s more ridiculous lies from and fear mongering from this professional bigot.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 6:59pm
  52. But the tables AREN’T turned. There’s nothing that Christians are experiencing that could even remotely be described as second class citizenship.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 7:06pm
  53. The lack of intelligence, does not justify stupidity.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 7:11pm
  54. well sometimes it’s justified. if you make millions of dollars telling gay people they can’t get married(and find cute ways to sneak in other generalizations about how immoral they are) then it’s not. If you give a gay person a dirty look in public, and they give you a dirty look back, also not justified.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 8:52pm
  55. Damn! If I’d know that this is all it takes to marginalize a bunch of Anti-Christians, I’d have done it sooner! Whiners … !

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 9:22pm
  56. NOM’s brand of hate isn’t selling so well lately, so now they’re playing the martyr complex card. Well, Brian, Mr. rich white Chistian(ist)? You don’t know what feeling like a second class citizen is. You life of privilege has never exposed you to being spit on in the street, never exposed you to being fired from a job or turned down for a place to live. It has never had you listening to terms of derision being used about you while raising ugly laughter from the people surround you. Bottom line: the only thing that you’re encountering is that people are wising up to just how vile your message is.

    Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 11:41pm
  57. Their rights are being threatened? Nope. Their right to believe whatever they want, even if it comes from an archaic book written by Bronze Age men in quest of power remains, their right to join together to worship their dead man on a cross remains, their right to gather together remains. These are the rights for religions, and from religions. They, as citizens, can still voice their opinion, they can still change laws, though their religions must remain out of politics for the Constitution belongs to everybody, religious or not.

    Posted on Monday, August 29, 2011 at 3:31am
  58. Hah guess it takes one to no one. Maybe they can have some understanding, empathy, tolerance and love now!

    Posted on Monday, August 29, 2011 at 8:45am
  59. Second class citizen would be nicer to have than non-citizenship (what christians would do to LGBT groups)

    Posted on Monday, August 29, 2011 at 12:15pm
  60. They do realize that marriage isn’t a Christian only thing…right? There are different types of ceremonies depending on what culture or religion you are. In the Wiccan religion, we support same sex marriage. As the charge of the Goddess states “”All acts of Love and Pleasure are My rituals”.

    Posted on Monday, August 29, 2011 at 9:25pm